The quick and true answer is NO ROLE. Man has absolutely NO ROLE in salvation. NONE. NADA, ZIP. There is not one Scripture properly divided that says otherwise. This is the truth. Earlier this year as I wrote on this blog, I asked a Babylonian minister to send me his definitions of the basic tenants of God. He sent me to a web page that was titled Man’s Role vs. God’s Role In Salvation. Unbelievable the heresy on that page but the man had no ears and did not hear my rebuke or correction so I moved on as commanded. But I had always wanted to write a quick post to lay out the truth and expose the total absolute carnality of the thoughts and logic that man has any role in his salvation. Men will do things that is for sure, but the power and causation of what we do is always from the Lord. Putting the sum of thy word together makes clear what is truth.
Jon 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
If we can simply come to the word of God as a little child and be taught the truth and simply believe what the Scriptures say. Few are given this ability to see and apply simple truths on a macro scale. It really is this simple.
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring
Joh_3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Carnal minds have twisted and perverted the word of God and leavened all the doctrines. What carnal minds cannot see is that everything required of salvation, is something the Lord gives or imposes upon man. We will briefly review this below and even see that the Lord even made covenant with us, we do nothing, it is all HIM and He changes not.
Faith – That is given to man, the few chosen by God for now. No flesh will be boasting it saved itself.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (the faith) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The Lord is going to make crystal clear to you via the process of judgment, when that day comes, that you have nothing to do with your salvation or faith. If any part of you thinks you have a role in it, you don’t yet know the Lord in spirit. God cannot use anyone that thinks they bring anything to the table. We will be humbled and made meek and no flesh shall glory in the Lord when we are judged. All men will learn this the hard way. We all will live by every word and will be confounded by the wisdom of God and shown the utter folly of carnal logic and thinking we bring anything to the table.
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise (you and me) ; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty (our prideful beast);
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Men thinking they choose God in any way shape or form, even receiving the “free gift” is carnal delusion. This deception enables the self righteous beast that all of us are at heart to sit on God’s throne and deceive us into thinking we serve God but we are actually working in opposition to the Lord not knowing we are that man of sin.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Repentance – This is granted, it is GIVEN to those God has chosen, His very Elect, Israel.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 11:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life.
Of course knowing who is Israel and who are the Gentiles is important to know what is being said here. There are only two types of people, Jews and Gentiles and even the Gentiles are Jews in waiting; awaiting the appointed time for their judgment thru which all men will be saved and all of God’s creation restored back to Him.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Man repents only and because we are granted and given repentance not because our flesh desires to repent on it’s own. As we will see our very thoughts are given to us by God but know it is HIS goodness that leads us to repentance. Our free will has nothing to do with it since free will is strong delusion!
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Obedience – Our flesh is incapable of obeying God and He will first prove that to us by bringing judgment upon us to humble us. We obey because HE causes us to obey, it is Christ in us doing it, it is not us. anything else, the belief in free will is strong delusion. It is this judgment, the scourging that is the chastening that defines what the true grace of God actually is.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Psa 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
What the carnal mind cannot understand is that we can do nothing, EVEN SIN, outside of the will of God. Apart from Jesus we do nothing.
Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit (i.e. sinful passions) he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do NOTHING. (even sin, nothing is nothing)
This all part of the wonderful works of God to the children of men. The Potter is doing it all, molding the clay, causing good and evil, causing obedience and disobedience. Free will has no place in God’s kingdom and is strong carnal delusion.
Isa 63:17 O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants’ sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.
The evil within, in the kingdom of God in our cities within is all of the Lord.
Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
The carnal mind and 99.9% of those that call themselves Christians will not receive this and will think it is blasphemy. Yet nowhere does the Bible ever say man is responsible for anything. What it does say is God is working in us to do all that we do.
Php 2:13 For it is God (it is not YOU) which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
HE will work all His good pleasure and it has already been declared. God is not subject to man’s will.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Giving an account is not being responsible. The fact is, the Potter is responsible and we are just clay in His hands. We can do nothing, not even sin, outside of His will. Blasphemy blasphemy will yell the carnal mind that know not the Scripture. He is the one directing our every step. We be it good or evil are all the works of his hands. People can read these Scriptures 1000 times yet, say God is Sovereign but then claim man has free will. What utter delusion.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
The fact is, our very thoughts, every one of them, is given to us by God. That is an all powerful God few believe.
Amo 4:13 For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.
God gives us the very words we speak, all of them.
Pro 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
Isa 57:19 I (the Lord) create the fruit of the lips
Men that think God needs something from them, do not know the Lord. They follow another jesus.
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
I did not cover every aspect/requirement for salvation as that is not practical and indeed there are many. A dear brother just put up a great post regarding LOVE and if the Lord coerces us to love. Hopefully the truth is obvious now as ALL THINGS certainly includes love. Here is a link to Mitch’s site and this recent article.
God Even Makes Covenant For Us
Man does not choose God, God chooses man. Amazing how Babylonian ministers have invented this idea of accepting Jesus into your heart as the way of salvation. Christ had a different truth which was….
Joh 15:16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,
The stories about Israel are not a history lesson people. They are examples for how God works with all men in the age of Christ. In fact those words in the OT were not even written for the people that lived back then, they we written for God’s Elect that would come later (See 1 Peter 1:10-12 if you doubt this). But know the Lord even brings us into covenant. We don’t choose Him, He makes us lie down in His green pastures. Where is the YOU in the picture?
Eze 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
God Almighty does not need to ask our permission to rule over us! LOL
Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
There is no YOU in the process. The LORD does it all. He purges out the sin, He destroys the rebels that live within His kingdom. He pleads with us thru fiery judgment. There are NO YOU WILL’s, it is all I WILL says the Lord. Those that see that don’t yet see the sovereignty of God and are still very carnal. Man thinking he saves himself by choosing Christ is nothing more than the self right beast we all are sitting on God’s throne in our hearts!
We see this immutable fact throughout Scripture. Not one person on their own initiative sought out and found the Lord. The Lord came to all of them, Abraham, Noah, Paul, all the disciples were chosen out of the world. They had no choice in the matter, that is contrary to all the Scriptures.
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Even those that come out of Babylon are chosen of God and dragged out. So says the Scripture.
Ezr 1:5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the LORD which is in Jerusalem.
Hag 1:14 So the LORD stirred up the spirit of Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and the spirit of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest, and the spirit of all the remnant of the people (THE ELECT); and they came and worked on the house of the LORD of hosts, their God,
There is no room for free will in any of this. It is the Lord’s work. He stirs up our spirits and that is what leads us to Him and to work in building His House. The story is consistent, the truth changes not. Here we have the Israelite s (type for God’s Elect) being stirred up and being MADE WILLING to build the House for God.
Exo 35:21And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD’S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.
God makes us willing. He gives us every single desire of our heart, be it for good or evil. He is the Potter. The Lord even makes covenant for us as we see in the story of Abram.
Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
What was Abram’s part? Nothing. The Lord did it all. You can see the same for Noah and it is the same for all of God’s Elect, we were chosen before the world was formed. God did it and in the appointed time, the burning lamp and fiery furnace that represents the judgment of God against our flesh and carnal mind will come and the process of being made new will begin.
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
ALL THINGS ARE OF GOD. No man can come to Him unless it is given to them and they are dragged to Christ. Yet despite clear words that speak, this, it is the false gospels that are believed and followed by the billions of Christians. They are living blind, under strong delusion, letting carnal babes rules over them.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me drag him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The whomsoever will are the ones God has chosen, the same ones to whom IT IS GIVEN to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God.
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
I hope your ears and eyes are blessed of the Lord and you understand what I am saying and see it in the word.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
It is given to very few as many are called and few are chosen. The few chosen are dragged out of this world to Christ. If you look into it, you will see all those verses that say man has to do X, Y or Z and then you “might” be saved. The word MIGHT was added, it is not there in the Greek. It was added by blind carnal translators who gave us the KJV bible written to support their false gospels and other jesus. The church had fallen away long before the Bible was even finished being written. Yet everyone assumes the falling away is out there in the future, not even considering they were born into it, blind as bats.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
I see many people, my own family reading many Christian books that sound good and look good to the carnal mind. But one can spot these wolves a mile away when you see things in the covers or the titles of the book that speak to man having a role in salvation. You see all these statements saying, you must go all in for Christ, that is all nonsense, it is denying the Lord and exalting man. Here is what Christ says to them.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Run from these deceivers who look oh so good in the flesh. They preach another jesus and if you follow them and get caught up into doing many fleshly good works and think they are your own, this is where you are at.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
When Will We Know We Have No Role?
Until and unless ones come to see that free will is strong delusion, they don’t know God nor Christ except in the flesh. God has to drag us thru that veil of flesh and thru His fiery trials and judgments, then and only then will we know He is the Lord. Interesting to note the “WHEN” we shall know He is the Lord. It is when Christ appears to us and begins to grind us to powder.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Ezekiel 7:9 And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the LORD that smiteth.
It is by this process of judgment, the strange work of the Lord that we come to know Him.
Until we look behind in our walk after judgment has fallen upon us, we will never be able to see this all as the Lord’s work. We don’t learn righteousness until judgment comes to our earth and then we will learn what being Lord really means.
Isa 26:9 …when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Exo 6:6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:
I thank God the Lord has not had pity as otherwise we would stay right where we are in the world playing church. We would therefore NEVER KNOW HIM. Far better to pay the cost of count of the blessing of being a chosen disciple even if it costs you everything the world so highly esteems. Carrying a cross is painful to our flesh, it will bring great sorrow. JOB came to see this.
Ezekiel 7:27 The king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with desolation, and the hands of the people of the land shall be troubled: I will do unto them after their way, and according to their deserts will I judge them; and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 11:10 Ye shall fall by the sword; I will judge you in the border of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 12:15 And they shall know that I am the LORD, WHEN I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries.
Ezekiel 30:26 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them among the countries; and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Until we live thru these days, we will believe in free will and while we will call Jesus Lord, we will NOT know Him and that He truly, really is Lord. Not only do birds not fall from the sky outside of His will but we don’t have a thought, speak a word, take a step or do anything outside of His will either. That is God Almighty. The Lord believed by Babylonians is a puny weak pathetic God, that cannot even get His own will done and save everyone.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
The Lord Really Is Lord!!
The definition of LORD of Lords and King of Kings needs to be elevated from what we knew when we were yet carnal and devoid of true knowledge. The Lord really is Lord of the heavens and the earth. These speak not of physical things, as heaven is our hearts and minds and the earth is the church. Christ does not allow anything nor does He revert to plan B and then clean up the messes the free will of men supposedly make. That is all carnal nonsense. The Lord is the Lord and everything that happens in heaven and in the earth which all comes about by the HIS WILL. His will is being done, no matter what happens. He stretches forth the heavens and the earth and again this is not speaking of physical things, it refers to spiritual things, the things unseen.
Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
The Lord is the master potter and we are indeed the clay as are all things Christ created which is all things. We are doing exactly what the Lord has written for our lives, every one of us. It was all written before there were any days existing. The end was indeed declared from the beginning.
Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
It takes the gift of faith to believe that. It takes the gift of faith to believe Jesus really truly is the Lord. He is and I hope you will believe. The Lord even must give us the ears to hear and eyes to discern HIS truths and believe this word. SALVATION IS OF THE LORD. If you hear or read of anyone giving to man the responsibility to take action to save themselves; you are listening or reading a false prophet and a wolf in sheep’s clothing. There is none better at sending wolves in sheep’s clothing then the Lord. He is the master of disguise. They don’t call it strong delusion for nothing.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Which Christ do you follow? Is your Christ dependent upon pieces of clay He made and molds and directs every step to do anything? or is your Christ so powerful and sitting as LORD ruling in the heavens and on the earth, in absolute charge of all things that happen. I hope the latter and you will begin to believe the Scriptures, which state this hundreds of times.
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
If one will try the spirits that speak or claim man has any role in salvation, using the SUM OF THY WORD and bringing forth treasures out of the old and the new testament, it is clear for those with eyes to see and ears to here, that man has absolutely no role in his salvation. SALVATION IS INDEED OF THE LORD. And lest we forget what salvation means. It means to be delivered from the power of sin, it does not mean avoiding eternal hell. Look at this promise of the New Covenant. There is NO YOU DO ANYTHING, it is all I WILL SAYS THE LORD. He causes us to obey HIM, HE delivers us from sin. That is salvation!!!!!!!
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Eze 36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
Eze 36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
AGAIN WE SEE THAT GOD IS DOING IT ALL. 100% of it. YOU HAVE NO ROLE IN IT. In case you still think salvation means avoiding eternal hell, I recommend you read these two articles pronto.
Sincere questions or comments can be emailed to me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Your brother in Christ, Pete