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Knowing No Man After the Flesh

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Knowing No Man After the Flesh

All mankind whether in the faith or not makes many judgments every single day.  We do this every time we respond, think and act to the various stimuli (all things) the Lord is working in our lives.  Decision making is judgment making and the Lord is working all of it, even declaring to us our very thoughts (Amo 4:13) even giving us the words we speak (Pro 16:1).  That is just how powerful our sovereign Lord truly is that the world and all in unbelief know not.

Isa 64:8  But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. 

 Php 2:13  For it is God [it is NOT YOU] which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. 

It those few given to know these truths, by coming through the fire that our first learning to trust in the Lord.  Once the Lord starts this work in us, we grow in our understanding that the Lord is working all things and has predestinated our entire lives (Psa 139:16) declaring the end from the very beginning (Isa 46:10).

Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 

The title of this study comes from this well-known Scripture that tells of the complete paradigm shift those of the household of faith are to exhibit in conducting ourselves in these clay vessels.

2Co 5:16  Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 

What does “know no man or Christ after the flesh” really mean from a spiritual and practical significance?  We hope to explore the answer more thoroughly in this article.

The very next verse helps zero in on what knowing no man after the flesh is all about. Those that “know no man after the flesh” are those in Christ (in the true faith in the His Body of true believers) that are striving to be like the Lord and following His example.

2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 

The precious few given the Spirit of Christ and dragged to His Body (Joh 6:44) are those given the gift, a measure of Christ’s faith, and who are now walking differently as compared to their former selves and the entire carnal world.

Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 

Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 

We don’t even know ourselves anymore in the flesh when we walk as the new man. Faith has us no longer condemning ourselves for the things the Lord has wrought in our life.

The short answer of what it means to “know no man after the flesh” is to walk by faith and not by sight (using our carnal physical senses).

Rom 1:17  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 

2Co 5:7  For we walk by faith, not by sight [physical/carnal senses]

Simply put, those “being justified “ (saved, delivered, judged, etc) by the process; are doing it BY FAITH.

Rom 5:1  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

With the root of faith established, we thereby grow through the many trials the Lord brings that is continuing to teach us how to see things from God’s eyes.

Col 2:6  As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

Col 2:7  rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught [in and by judgment – Isa 26:9], abounding in it with thanksgiving.

God is not a respecter of people

Contrary to many trapped by the letter and not seeing the Spirit in all Scripture, the Lord is not a respecter of personsAll men are viewed the same and given the same judgments and the same rewards, there is NO DIFFERENCE except the timing of when we seek Him.

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 

The punishments and the reward, the entire process is ONE process that comes alike to all men (Ecc 9:2) in the times appointed.

Col 3:24  Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 

Col 3:25  But he that doeth wrong [we all do wrong before we are taught and caused to do right] shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. 

Rom 2:9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 

Rom 2:10  But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 

Rom 2:11  For there is no respect of persons with God. 

The Lord is no hypocrite.  Our commands are to do what He does and follow His example in how we are to judge all things.  Here is what He does.

Joh 8:15  Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 

Joh 8:16  And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 

How to do we make these judgments every day to the many stimuli in our lives yet follow Christ and judge no man?  We do it by walking by faith according to the Word rather than the wisdom and logic of the carnal world.  Judging by the Spirit is how it can be said we judge no man and even that we “know no man after the flesh”.  The Word of God is what judges every man but even that only in the appointed times, the last days, the end of the carnal age for every man.

Joh 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 

Joh 12:48  He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 

We judge each another today by the words of fire we speak, share and meditate on.  But we ourselves are judged not by a man but by the living Word, Christ in us and spoken by His Body. This is how the fire spreads among us and will, in turn, spread to all mankind in the “will be” fulfillment of the Lake of Fire.  This is how we attain the mind of Christ being raised from the spiritually dead [the carnally minded].

1Co 2:15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 

1Co 2:16  For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 

It is Christ, the living Word within us that is doing the judging.  It is the authority of Christ within us, the Word, which we are to follow in conducting ourselves and judging righteous judgment rather than judging in the flesh.

Joh 7:24  Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

With regarding to knowing men and how we are to make those judgments; we are to judge the fruit and the Spirit in the man rather than their appearances.

1Sa 16:7  But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. 

Far too often we are impatient and judge hastily based on appearances, [in the flesh] having respect of persons which is contrary to the commands of the Lord in the Old Testament.  The Lord changes not!

 Lev 19:15  Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour

Pro 24:23  These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment. 

Also in the Old Testament, Scriptures about balances and weights refer to much more than our just our honesty in handling money [spiritual knowledge is also money or riches].  These OT symbols on measures ultimately speak to our faithfulness to the Lord and how we judge all matters of life (1Co 6:3).

Diversity in our judgment, playing favorites or being partial is using diverse weights and measures. That is what a carnal mind does in justifying things in the flesh.

Pro 20:10 Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are an abomination to the LORD.

It is the mature man of Christ who has learned to measure all things by the Word of God which is how we can discern good from evil.

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

James calls out the church (you and me) who in our immaturity continue to show respect of persons, knowing men after the flesh.

Jas 2:1  (NKJV) My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality [respect of persons]

Whatever is not of faith is sin and including our having respect of persons and judging according to the flesh.  James continues to give a seeming outward physical example yet remember “my words are spirit” and all of these words are signified.

Jas 2:2  (NKJV) For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, 

Jas 2:3  and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, “You sit here in a good place,” and say to the poor man, “You stand there,” or, “Sit here at my footstool,” 

Jas 2:4  have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges [of men in the flesh] with evil thoughts? …..

Jas 2:8  If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you do well; 

Jas 2:9  but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 

Knowing men after the flesh is judging men in the flesh and is contrary to faith.  This puts us right back under the law for the lawless and in bondage to the carnal mind and its accusing and or excusing thoughts (Rom 2:14-15) about men.

Every Man is Jesus Christ

Knowing no man after the flesh includes us coming to see that EVERY MAN is Jesus Christ who is both the first adam and the last adam in every man.

1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 

Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

With the mind of Christ, we are able to look at every man and see them as Jesus Christ.  It is coming to see and live this truth that defines our maturity.

Mat 25:40  And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ 

Judging in the flesh has us knowing men in the flesh rather than the Spirit.  We no longer know Christ in the flesh and now we begin to see Him in every man regardless of where anyone may be in the faith or the road to maturity.

Gen 1:27  So God created [is creating] man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 

Knowing that Christ is every man and that men are truly clay in His hands, we will look at some natural behaviors and reactions of our flesh, so we can be on guard within ourselves and within the brethren to help one another.

Favorites:  We need to be aware the Lord will use our preferences for people to try our faith and to teach us righteousness showing us the partiality that lies hidden in our hearts.  Having such preferences itself is not sin, it is only when we apply a different plumbline and let those carnal desires interfere with being Christ UNIFORMLY to all men.

1Ti 5:21  I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality

In the end, all will be in Christ and in Christ we are told ….

Gal 3:26  For ye are all the children of God by [the free gift of] faith in Christ Jesus. 

Gal 3:27  For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 

Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 

The Body of Christ (All men in the end) comes from all nations, tribes and tongues there being no respect of any person, creed, race or nation by the Lord.

Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Deu 10:17  For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: 

Preeminence:  The Lord shares His glory with no flesh and we are told often to be on guard the spirit of preeminence.  This is the same as a Nicolaitan spirit which is also a homosexual spirit where one man has dominion over another.  Being like our Lord will have us hating this Spirit any place we see it.

Rev 2:6  But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 

We all battle this spirit within ourselves and we have seen it in others who seek adulation from men even do many good works and using that for carnal gain.

Mat 23:5  But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 

Mat 23:6  And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 

Mat 23:7  And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

The Lord has established offices in the Body of Christ (Eph 4:11-12) for the edification of the church who bring only what the Lord has given them (1Co 4:7) to bring. Everything is to be done for the Lord’s glory in all things.

Col 1:18  And he [the Lord] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 

Angel Worship:  Carnal minds naturally are drawn to give thanks and praise to those who bring favor to them.  It is right to give thanks and acknowledgment to those the Lord uses to bless us.  Yet we are denying the sovereign Lord when we go to far and bow before men who have done for us what was their reasonable service.  Twice we have the example of John being rebuked for bowing before his fellow servant who revealed the mysteries of Christ.

Rev 19:10  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. 

Rev 22:8  And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 

Rev 22:9  Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God

Recipients of such worship love their brother or sister and put them right turning the praise and worship back to God.  To Him alone goes all praise and glory and honor.

Rev 4:9  And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 

Rev 4:10  The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 

Rev 4:11  Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. 

We are going to be tried over and over again by the Lord to burn all partiality in judgment from our heavens and earth.  We are getting to the place where we only say or do what we see our Lord doing.  That is the mature man in Christ who lives by faith and is obedient to the commandments.

Joh 5:19  Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son [you and me Lord willing] also does in like manner. 

salvation

Why Serve Christ if All Will Be Saved Anyway?

John 12:32  And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL peoples to Myself

Jesus Christ is the Savior of the entire world.  This is certain and salvation is assured for all of God’s creation, it is only a matter of God’s appointed times and sequences to bring this blessed hope to fruition.  The following is a post written by a true brother in Christ and is shared here for the edification of all the saints who have been given ears to hear.  This post will address a common objection carnal man has to this glorious gospel of good news for all.

1 TIM 4:10  For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of ALL men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.

I get this question all the time on why we would obey God if all men are saved.  But to tell you the truth, I felt the same way when I was first told the truth about God saving everyone. I have had an interest in God’s Word from my youth and was familiar enough to know that the KJV mentioned eternal torment in several places. My first reaction was, “How could anyone be so foolish as to doubt that hell was eternal? After all, anyone can read in Revelation 14 that ‘The smoke of their torment ascended up forever, and they have no rest day or night.”

But I was working with the only knowledge that I had at that time. I did not know that the word translated ‘forever’ was actually ‘aion’, the Greek word for ‘age.’

If any of you are truly interested in knowing the truth of God’s Word on this subject, please get a copy of “The Restitution Of All Things”, written over 150 years ago by a truly great scholar, Andrew Jukes. You will be amazed at how careful the translators were to give this word the meaning they wanted it to have.  This statement is a joke LOL.  Their translation had to accord with the teachings of the Church of England. Otherwise, King James, the head of the Church of England, could have fired them and declared them heretics and had them put to death. To make this one little word ‘aion’ and its adjective form ‘aionian’ conform to church doctrine, the translators were forced to contort it into 18 different English words and sometimes into complete phrases like “course of time.”  Can you believe that even in the Book of Ephesians this word AION is translated into NINE different English words with far reaching meanings that dramatically affect the message. These errors have immersed themselves into every corner of Christianity which has brought to fulfillment Christ’s prophecy that faith would be hard to find when He returns to the earth.

Luke 18:8  when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?

Jesus will find it but it will not be in very many.  Only the very few, His very elect will have faith on this earth.  My friends I urge you all to read this book from Andrew Jukes.  Especially those who had made the KJV Bible their idol.   Ask God to show you His mind. You will be blown away with the depth of the deceit used to further this lie against the character of a loving heavenly Father.

The answer to the question Why Serve Christ Now If All Will Be Saved Anyway is found throughout the gospels in the words of Christ, and it is also found in the book of Revelation. Christ tells us:

Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (Gehenna,)

Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (Gehenna,)

In Revelation 20 we are told that “death and hell” are “destroyed” in the lake of fire, which Christ here refers to as “Gehenna.”

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Christ did not speak English and was not familiar with the English word ‘hell.’ ‘Gehenna,’ the word translated ‘hell’ here, is a valley just south of Jerusalem where garbage and the bodies of criminals were cast to be burned up. The flies would often lay their eggs on the bodies of the criminals and grow into maggots and mature into flies before the bodies would be burnt. Those are the so-called ‘immortal’ “worms [which] dieth not.” No maggot that matures into a fly ever dies as a maggot.

Now look at this verse in Revelation:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (((This is the first resurrection.))))

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

There is the scriptural answer to the question posed by this post:

If all men will eventually be saved, what is the purpose of serving Christ now, as a Christian, since every one will be saved eventually. One might as well live a sinful life, and enjoy its pleasures.  Let’s just eat, drink and be merry some may want to say.

If our carnal nature is so ungrateful ((((for the opportunity to rule with Christ,)))) as opposed to being cast into a figurative lake of fire which will “destroy death,” and therefore also destroy ‘hades,’ that is, the grave, then we will NOT be in that “Blessed and holy… first resurrection.” We will instead be raised after the thousand years.

We will come up from our graves in what is called the “great white throne judgment.” And we will at that time be “cast into the lake of fire.” But we are plainly told that it is better to endure that fire now, and be judged now, rather than to have the attitude of ‘Well, I’m going to be saved anyway, so I’ll just live for the flesh and pay the price later.’

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The fiery trials of the elect are their ‘judgment day.’ This is not called ‘the lake of fire.’ That phrase is reserved for —-THE SO CALLED DAMNED, as the poor translators that were influenced by the opinions of men in creating most English bibles today.

They are NOT eternally damned’ as taught by the orthodox church. The word damned is the same word translated —— CONDEMNED—– Here is what we are told of that later JUDGEMENT THE LATTER —-CONDEMNATION

1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves [now], we should not be judged [later with the world].
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned [to a later chastening judgment] with the world.

Now what is the scriptural purpose of any loving Father when He judges His children? Here is the scriptural purpose for all Godly judgment:

1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord

So you see, those in the first resurrection are special to God and through those very people God will bring in the rest of mankind.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these [all] also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

This “mercy” of ours is the chastening ‘torment’ Joseph put his brothers through. We too, just as Joseph was, will be used to display God’s mercy in the coming ages:

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us [even now] sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

We are the “firstfruits,” but we are not the ‘only fruits.’ The “feast of firstfruits” in the beginning of the year, precedes the “feast of in gatherings” at the end of the year. Any farmer knows that the firstfruits are not as great in numbers as are the later fruits. But the first fruits are always special to a farmer because they are always much bigger and better that the later fruits. And so we are told:

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we [the few chosen] trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially [but not exclusively] of those that believe [believe now while on this earth].

1Ti 4:11 THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH!

Do you know of any church which dares to “command and teach” this simple gospel truth? There is not one single church in all of orthodox Christianity that believes this verse of God’s Word.

There are so few places to actually find the truth these days.  The apostasy is so bad and is as bad outside of the churches as it is on the inside.  Consider these verses:

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for there is no difference:

No difference between the saved at this time, and the unsaved in this age because every body eventually will be saved BUT….. BUT….. There is a great difference as far as ruling during the thousand years is concerned.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one [Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Tim 2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Tim 2:4 WHO —–WILL—– HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED —-AND—- COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH.

Notice the Scripture says WHO WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED not maybe or might.  NO FRIENDS SALVATION IS SURE! This guarantee applies not only to salvation but also that ALL would come to knowledge of the truth.  That is very good news and is the gospel preached by the Apostles and preached today by those called for that purpose by the Lord Himself.

Consider also my brothers and sisters, these wonderful promise from Peter and John.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack CONCERNING HIS PROMISE, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, —-NOT WILLING— that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

An ALMIGHTY GOD gets what He wants. Nothing will stand in the way of God accomplishing His purposes and will for all of His creation.  Nothing and that certainly includes the free will of any man or woman.

1John 2:2 And he [Christ] is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Amazing that we can read right through these Scriptures and explain them away with the doctrines of devils like eternal torment in hell.  But we have been so blinded by false doctrines and traditions from The Babylonish ‘Mother of harlots’ that we have allow the hypnotic effect of the lie of eternal torment to keep our eyes from seeing the true gospel. Eternal hell-fire for most of mankind, or for that matter eternal death as some claim, is not ‘good news at all.  The good news believed on by the vast majority of professing Christians is very bad news.  How else could one label a belief or a gospel that has 99% plus of all humanity suffering forever in torment in front of the Lamb that created them?  Think about it?  Billions and trillions of years, never-ending torment.  And yet these same people will claim that God is love.   And the multitudes believe it still – WOW.

The fact that God “Works all things After The Counsel of His Own Will,” and the fact that “AS IN Adam all die, EVEN SO in Christ will all men be made alive” truly is good news for mankind.  The sooner one comes to believe this, the sooner their lives will be eternally changed and the amazing blessings and promises of God will begin to transform their lives.  This blessing is reserved just for the few and none of us know who they are except for the one who has chosen them all from the foundations of the world.

Eph 1:4  Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes

Just because God has decided to save all men, therefore we should not act ungrateful for our special calling by continuing to live in sin, as if this ‘lake of fire is something to take lightly. Nothing could be further from the truth!  To whom much is given, much more will be expected said Jesus.  The love God planted in our hearts for Him is going to be our GPS compass.  We will desire to obey because He has saved us, not as an act or duty we do to save ourselves or even to confirm the work of Jesus on the cross.

Joseph’s brothers typify that ‘lake of fire experience.’ If we consider God to be a “hard man”, then He will show Himself that way to us in the judgment.  BROTHERS AND SISTERS READING THIS PLEASE READ SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY AS THERE IS REALLY GOOD WISDOM IN THE STORY OF JOSEPH.

Just as Joseph showed himself to his brothers when they came down into Egypt to buy grain. They were “tormented in the presence of the lamb” who was listening to them confess that this was happening to them because of what they had done to their brother Joseph. Joseph heard every word his brothers spoke because they did not realize who he was as (((((he had spoken to them through an interpreter.))))  Please familiarize yourself with this these events as told in Genesis Chapters 48 thru 50 primarily.

I do not think many realize how miserable Joseph’s brothers’ lives were while they were enduring this ‘lake of fire’ experience. It is not something to be taken lightly. Even though their lives were never in danger, they were “hard men” and therefore perceived their brother as such many years after he had shown himself to them as their savior:

Seventeen years after Israel (Jacob), Joseph’s father came into Egypt he died. During all those years Joseph’s brothers were still so full of their ‘eternal hell fire” attitude, so to speak, that they still did not know their own brother for who he really was. They still believed that he was the same kind of orthodox Christian, as it were, as they were. They thought that just as soon as Jacob their father died, that Joseph would exact his revenge. They were living out the words Jesus spoke “I knew you were a hard man,” said the “wicked and slothful servant.”

But look now as Joseph reveals for us why God created ALL evil:

Gen 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?

Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought —– evil—- against me; but God meant it [That very ‘evil,’ and all evil is what God means] UNTO GOOD to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

Gen 50:21 Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.

That is what a loving Father does to His wayward children. He torments them in their own ways till they are purified of their sins:

Psa 18:26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

Luk 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

The ‘master’ had done nothing of the kind, for he had given this servant one talent to work with, but “to the froward He showed Himself froward.” Do you think God will not redeem his marred vessel which He has created marred? Beware that ‘lake of fire.’ It is composed of a resurrection full of Josephs whose orthodox Christian brothers have sold them into Egypt for a few silver coins.

Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion [‘Zion’ is a spiritual code for the elect] are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with THE DEVOURING FIRE? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

That is a fair question. Who is this ‘lake of fire? It is not at all what you have been told. It most certainly is not an eternal hell.  Rather it is:

Isa 33:15 He that walks righteously, and speaks uprightly; he that despise the gain of oppressions, that shake his hands from holding of bribes, that stop his ears from hearing of blood, and shutts his eyes from seeing evil;

Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.

This “devouring fire and everlasting burnings” is the word of God in the mouths of the Josephs who will come up in that “blessed and holy…first resurrection.” It is even now purging the lies that have been told about our loving heavenly Father from the minds of those “few chosen” called “out of” the “many called,”

Referring specifically to the churches of orthodox Christianity, the Holy Spirit gives us all this stern warning:

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakes of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The churches of Christianity do accomplish a lot of very good works. They are being used of God to bring the name of Christ to billions of God’s creatures. At the very same time, it is these very works which are used of God to deceive so very many. Though they be ‘many wonderful works,’ whenever we deny God’s Words, we are denying Christ Himself!

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

The ‘hell fire’ of Matthew 5 is as figurative as the “cutting off” of one’s limbs in those same verses. Compare these two statements of our loving and merciful Savior. First this:

Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

And then just a few verses later:

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Are we to believe that God wants you and me to “love our enemies” while He Himself does nothing of the kind, but rather roasts His enemies and many of our loved ones in real physical fire for all eternity?  NO of course not.  God has given us the same rules and has the same desires as given to Jesus.  His will is to conform us into the image and likeness of His Son.

It is time that we repent of such blasphemy and come out of all of the lies of the orthodox Christian whore who tells herself…:

Rev 3:17I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

I hope this helps see that the saving of all is not a very good excuse to do all the carnal things that the carnal mind wants to do. I hope that someone sees that even though God will bring all to Himself, that in the meantime He is judging mankind and ‘making him anew the few chosen as seems good to the Potter.’

Jer 18:1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 18:2 Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
Jer 18:3 Then I went down to the potter’s house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

“Where sin abounds, grace does much more abound” is not an encouragement to continue in sin. It is rather a stern warning that “grace chastens…us to forsake ungodliness and worldly lusts”.  Once we come to know of God’s complete sovereignty,  we will begin to understand the fear of the Lord.

Tit 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching [Greek- paideuo – chastening] us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

“all is of God” even the very evil of Joseph’s brothers.

Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Pro 20:24 Man’s goings [good or evil] are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

When God opens our eyes and brings His chosen ones into the saving faith of Christ  there will be no escape from the chastening grace of God.   As our love for all men grows, especially for those in the faith,   we will learn obedience by the things we will suffer.  When we make a mistake and sin, we will know it as the Holy Spirit will convict our hearts and we will repent and confess our sins before God and our fellow brothers and sisters.   Those in the faith will ultimately be all men in the ages to come.  Coming to faith in this body of flesh is not a defining limitation of an Almighty God whose hand is not too short to save all men.   But what a great blessing to be chosen for faith now and to be called of God for service and ministry.  Does anyone really want to contemplate how or why a saved person would take on a “let’s party” or live it up lifestyle knowing of this great goodness and mercy of our Father in heaven?

Those chosen of God are not working for salvation or even trying to keep it.  All of this carnal arguing amongst Christian camps over OSAS and eternal security is such foolishness once God reveals the truth.  Salvation is assured and is all of the Lord’s doing and He already finished it.   This is the blessed hope of this glorious gospel for all men.  The promises made to the fathers of faith will come to pass.  God’s oath He swore to Abraham will be fulfilled.

So why don’t we live for ourselves and make the most of fulfilling our carnal lusts?  It is because the grace of God that is working in our hearts.  The chosen of God work for the Lord out of love.  This love God Himself put into our hearts as the Scriptures declare.  Our knowledge of the greater glory and the prize that lies ahead for those who endure all the way and remain faithful to their calling gives us incentive to strive for perfection.  The higher calling is a crown of righteousness which will give us the honor of ruling and reigning with Christ in the coming reign on earth.  The answer to the question really comes down to understanding the certainty of salvation and the role the Elect of God will play in the future.

REV 20:6  Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection

More to come on these topic at this website very soon God willing.