Body of Christ, Elect

Meeting Christ In The Clouds

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Divine LightJoh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me (My Body), and I in you.

If Christ is not in us and we in Him, we are none of His.

I was led to write this post after communicating with someone who has the basic truth down (i.e. the salvation of all men) but has not yet been given to move beyond that and on to maturity and come to understand the deeper truths of God’s word. We are to receive the babes in Christ that have an elementary level of faith and understanding but we are not to allow them to dispute established church doctrines with us whether they can receive it or not.  That is what Romans 14 is all about.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Being a babe depends not on how long one has been a Christian, it is all about the measures of faith that one is given by the Lord.  The pride of man and the lie of free will object to being called a babe but those that are matured will learn not to argue such truths with the babes.  A babe who continues to attack sound doctrine is to be considered a heretic but that is another lesson in the truth.

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

The failure, or in all actuality, THE INABILITY to understand God’s plan and purpose for His Body (the body of Christ) is a big stumbling-block that the vast majority of Christians, even those wandering in the wilderness outside of orthodoxy; cannot get beyond. My hope is a few that are led to read this post may be encouraged and come into understanding of who the Body of Christ is and they must be connected to have any part of the Lord’s inheritance. The inheritance of the Lord is His saints and that is the prayer all in the Body of Christ have for one another.

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance IN the saints,

Those that still cling to their personal and “private revelations” from the Lord and have no need for a body are not in the Body of Christ and do not yet know the truth or can heed the many admonishments such as this one.

1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is (THE) Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many. 
1Co 12:15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. (HE CHOOSES US, we do not choose Him – John 15:16)
1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

The Oneness of the Body of Christ

One is either a part of the living organism that is Christ or they are not. Those in this Body will be of one mind and there will be NO SCHISMS and arguments over what is the truth. The Body will be of ONE MIND.

Php 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

1Co 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

2Co 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

We have many lessons and Scriptures that tell us how to deal with heretics and be watchman over the flock of God and this is what the Elect do to keep themselves unspotted by the world and not defiled by the harlots of Babylon with their false doctrines.

Lone wolves have NO PLACE in the body of Christ.  Such ones are not “in me” as Christ spoke in John 14:20 at the top of this post. Those given over to this idol of their heart, don’t need a body. To them the Lord is working with them one on one; but that is all a carnal lie that deceives many people who take some of God’s word to the exclusion of many others to make their false doctrines (bread). Here is one such Scripture they don’t care much for.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;  (WHY DID GOD DO IT THIS WAY… we don’t have to guess…)
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Amazing however those that claim they hear from God but are not part of the Body of Christ.  As God promises, the things in the natural tell us how things work in the spiritual. The sheep that represent the flock of God gather together, yet wolves (those with false doctrines) run around separately in their own packs.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

The Lord gathers His sheep together and brings them to His mountain (Christ His Body) and there He feeds them and yes that includes being fed with JUDGMENT; being judged now by the fiery word we hear.

Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

Those that go it alone and don’t see a need for a body, a living organism and their need to be part of it, do not know “Christ” despite them having a few things right potentially. The Lord is not working with lone wolves, He is only working with the chosen few He is knitting together in love which means putting them thru many trials and afflictions. That is how He writes His laws on our hearts, thru the trials.

Heb 10:16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

The putting the laws on our spiritual hearts is done by the finger of God (we have nothing to do with it)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

And this is actually how it is done, by the scourging of the old man and destruction of our carnal way of life.

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Christ Comes In the Clouds

The power of God is His word and that power was put into the Elect.  That is really one of the great macro truths of the story of Noah and the covenant God made to save ALL MEN in due time.

Gen_9:13  I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

and the day the Lord brings “His Cloud” over the earth (brings judgment to us in our appointed time); then He will remember His covenant to save all men.  In that day, every eye shall see Him in the cloud.

Gen 9:14  And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

The bow in the cloud is the power of God in His Elect and that power of course is HIS WORD.  Christ is already come in the flesh. “Christ” is already come into the clouds of witnesses that He ascended and where He has made His abode in the hearts and mind of the very Elect.  He has already returned the same way physical eyes saw Him leave.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so (Christ) come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Christ has gone nowhere and has been in this same cloud that received Him 2,000 years ago to this very day.

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

The cloud that is Christ is in fact His Body, the body of Christ, the Elect who as this post will confirm are the vessels thru which the Lord does His work in this age and every generation of men. This cloud is a light of truth to those given ears to hear and eyes to see; but to everyone else this cloud is sheer darkness, sometimes called thick darkness or strong delusion in the Scriptures. The messengers of God are in fact these angels the witnesses thru whom the Lord works.

Exo 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:
Exo 14:20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

This contrast is how the Lord separates His chosen few, the Elect from the world who is represented in type and shadow in this story by the Egyptians.

Ultimately Christ will be seen by EVERY EYE coming in the clouds of His Elect witnesses. This only awaits the day ordained by the Lord for each of us. But the word and this promise is true. One only must come to know and apply these words and prophecies as spirit first.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

When the sons of God are revealed to the world, then this prophecy shall be fulfilled outwardly yet it is fulfilled inwardly in the hearts and minds of the Elect in this age.

Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

“The Christ” is many things in Scriptures, the symbols and types are VERY MANY and include the clouds in addition to many others including angels, pillars, body of Christ, bride of Christ, mother of Jesus, priests, kings, firstfruits, prophets, etc etc. But to the natural “carnal” man, not yet given ears to hear and eyes to see, and only knowing Christ “in the flesh”, these truths will indeed been invisible to them; in fact they will be considered down right foolishness.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishnessunto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Purpose of Christ’s Parables

The article “THE” was not retained in many instances when English translators did their work. Yet in some cases it did get thru to make this concept of Christ much clearer, yet in Babylon they only know the other jesus in their fleshly carnal understanding and the cloud that is Christ today is in fact utter darkness to them to this very day.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

When you see it written, unto this day,  it is a special emphasis that the Lord’s plan has not and will never change in this regard.  He is only revealing Himself to a few and is blinding everyone else.  That is His way.  The Lord is in the darkness to the carnally minded.

Exo 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

Jos 24:7 And when they cried unto the LORD, he put darkness between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea upon them, and covered them; and your eyes have seen what I have done in Egypt: and ye dwelt in the wilderness a long season.

Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Which all of these simply affirms the same message that all that Christ spoke AND DID, was done in parables and those parables were done to blind the world on purpose.

Mat 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

It was not just the words, it was the events themselves….”all these things”…

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

The truth is that the Lord must drag us to Himself and He causes our ears to hear His words, there is no free will involved despite what millions of false teachers, the blind leading the blind want to tell you.

Jer 18:1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 18:2 Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.

To the carnal mind, the truth that Christ has a Christ and that it is this body through which the Lord does His many great works is indeed foolishness. But if we are given the gift of faith and prepared to hear the words of the Lord, then we will be able to discern the truth and learn to walk only by faith and not by sight. Doing such requires us to heed these words.

1Co 4:6  And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Not thinking above what is written requires one to embrace the SUM OF GODS WORD IS TRUTH principle. Taking some of God’s word and building doctrine around that is how one is kept in darkness believing lies and false doctrines, knowing another jesus, the one we all first know in the flesh before we know the real one.

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

One either is or is not able to hear the truth and this has no relation to one’s own initiative or supposed free will.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

If one does not hear His words, then one is not of God currently. And as blasphemous as it sounds to the natural man, that is exactly the test true disciples are given to apply to know who is of God and who is not.

1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

John sure was an elitist, who does he think he is!  That is how he would be responded to by the Babylonian churches of men today if he quoted the Scripture he was inspired to write.  And so it is for the Elect today.  Those in the Body know who is of God and who is not, it is pretty simple to quickly know who can hear what we speak and who cannot.

Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Knowing these basic truths on who can hear and see, as we mature in the body of Christ and walking in the fire, we won’t argue and debate the truth of God’s word with those God is still blinding. It sounds oh so unloving but this is a commandment that we not let such ones into our spiritual houses, doing so is doing evil.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Anyone bringing false doctrines to us like eternal hell, free will of man, the Trinity, man born sinless, and millions of others is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a false prophet that we are to not fellowship with or discuss the things of God.  If we do so, we are doing evil and are being disobedient.  We must learn to wait on the Lord to prepare one and bring us a sheep to feed and remember the Lord does not need us to do anything, salvation and all things are of God, even one’s ability to receive the truth.

So much for the false love of the apostate churches who love to say everyone welcome on their church signs, but they just do not know the commandments of God, they cannot hear His word yet. If we are God’s Elect we are to leave them be and wait for the Lord to drag His lost sheep to Himself which is HIS BODY.

Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Doing the Greater Works

Christ told us that “we”, His Chosen Disciples, His Elect would do much greater works than He did. That is happening today although the entire world is oblivious to it.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Christ is inseparable from His Father who is God and is Spirit.  When Christ and His Father make their abode in us, then Christ is seated on the right hand of the Father in the heavens of our heart and mind.  We are His temple and this is where Christ sits today, dwelling in His people.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Of course doing these greater works only happens when we do it in Christ’s name. Doing things in Christ’s names has nothing to do with physically saying His name as those in Babylon believe, it has everything with doing it according to sound doctrine, the word which is Christ which is also His Body.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

And this promise is profound for those given the faith to hear His word and to actually believe it.

Christ Sends Out His Christ

A huge understanding that the world cannot perceive is God’s plan to first send Christ and then Christ to send His CHRIST  (the Body) to do His work. My last post spoke about the focus of that work and ministry to the lost sheep of Israel, code word for God’s Elect. Like our Lord who was sent only to the lost house of Israel, that is exactly to whom “Christ” (the Body) is sent.

Mat 10:5  These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6  But go rather (only) to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Click here to access the post on the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL.

As Christ father sent Him, so Christ sends His Christ. Coming to understand the plan of God is essential to have the pieces of truth fall into place and remove the lies of carnal reasoning. Here are some very prophetic words.

Joh 20:21  Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

As Christ is and was sent, so are we if we are indeed His. We have another NT witness to the same.

1Jn 4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

The Lord sends out HIS CHRIST in advance of where He comes.  So we are the preachers sent to speak the words of fire to ears prepared to hear the truth.  That is why we go and that is why we rejoice when just one lost sheep is returned to the fold.

Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Luk 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
Luk 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

We have many OT witnesses as well and these words from Isaiah 53 that speak of “Christ” and apply both to the “head” (the Lord) but also to “the body” (His Christ). The Lord is working ALL things, even bringing affliction, grief and rejection to His chosen servants. He came to save sinners and to turn them to repentance and He does just that by showing us who are old man truly is and then bringing judgment upon us.

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Ånd this is indeed the burden of “the Christ” to be the scapegoat in the wilderness, the offering for the trespasses of the people of God, the true church.

Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:

If Christ did it all on the cross 2,000 years ago, what is there to fill up on with regards to affliction? The fact is the substitutionary atonement is another lie of Babylon and unless we die in our due time, we too will not inherit the kingdom of God. This is way to big a topic to segue into here but Lord willing a future posts will be focused on that gigantic Babylonian lie.

Who is the light of the world?

Christ says He was the light of the world, but look at what He says about His Christ.

Joh 8:12  Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Mat 5:14  Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Who are the judges of the world?

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Christ said His words will judge the world. Yet we saw earlier who speaks His words. Well guess who will judge the world!

1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

 Who speaks His word?

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Jer 5:14  Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

Eze 2:7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.
Eze 2:8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.

Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, (the words spoken) as it were the noise of thunder, (the word brings judgment) one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Christ speaks His word thru His Body of Christ. Those who hear us are of God and those who do not, are not currently of God as we saw earlier. Few will receive us, precious few but we rejoice in those days.

Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

The body of Christ are the temple including the pillars to the temple and it is through them that all must pass to enter into Christ.  Here is this message foretold in the symbols of Scripture, the words that are Spirit.

Deu_31:15  And the LORD appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud: and the pillar of the cloud stood over the door of the tabernacle.

And here in JOB we learn also of the mystery of the clouds that are THE CHRIST.  Think of how the natural foretells the deep truths of the spiritual (Romans 1:20). WOW.

Job 36:27  For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof:

Job 36:28  Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly. (The Elect speak His words….)

Job 36:29  Also can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, or the noise of his tabernacle?  (only those given ears to hear and eyes to see by the Lord Himself)

Job 36:30  Behold, he spreadeth his light upon it (The Elect are the light of this world) , and covereth the bottom of the sea.

Job 36:31  For by them judgeth he the people; he giveth meat in abundance.  (The Elect shall judge the world)

Job 36:32  With clouds he covereth the light; and commandeth it not to shine by the cloud that cometh betwixt.  (The Lord shuts the eyes of most, blinding the whole world and only reveals truth to the few)

What are the saviours of the world?

This will be a hard truth to swallow for those still immersed in the flesh jesus and Babylonian doctrines.  Yet the truth about who is Christ applies to every turn and every aspect of Christ and that includes who is the savior.  Our Lord and head Christ is the Savior (capital S) yet the Christ of Christ is also saviors of the world (Christ in them, the word working the greater works).  So say the Scriptures when we can see them on the other side of the veil of flesh.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: (i.e. a lamb led to a slaughter) nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gen_22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Oba 1:21 And SAVIOURS shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD’S.

Neh 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them SAVIOURS who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

The Lord sends His Christ to do His work.  This is how He brings it to pass and that is the mystery of what the Scriptures declare and it is indeed marvelous once you see it.

Those Without

The answer in every case to these rhetorical questions is CHRIST. But knowing who Christ is. is in fact what separates those that have the gift and those that do not.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

It is those who cannot receive this truth who kick against the pricks and do not know Christ and continue to worship the dragon in their ignorance.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

These words have nothing to do with physically speaking out that Jesus came in a flesh body 2,000 years ago and died on a cross. That is all Babylonian carnal nonsense who do not know that all His words are SPIRIT.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The fact is that the Body of Christ is in fact “Christ”.  Not the head but very much the BODY.  Here is a zinger that makes this perfectly clear.

Eph 5:30  For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Until we are dragged thru the veil to the other side of the cloud, we cannot see the truth.

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

This veil of His Flesh, which is His Body is what the world cannot see.

Angels/Messengers Reveal Christ To Us

Everything Christ does, He does thru His Body.  We are His instruments.  He dwells in us, His people.  We are the ones who speak the work to ears prepared to hear.  That is how Christ builds His church.  The revelation of Jesus Christ to each of us is given to us by a member of the Body of Christ, of of God’s Angels (messengers).

Rev 19:10  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

We all have Christ revealed to us by our fellowservant’s that are already in the Body!  Such have the testimony of Jesus, another words they speak the truth and show us sound doctrine.  We are not to worship these “angels” as they are only messengers of what God has given them.

Rev 22:8  And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9  Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

We all initially will fall victim to some level of angel worship until we mature in the faith and truly believe that all things are indeed of the Lord.  Nobody Lord’s over anyone in the Body of Christ, we reject the doctrines of the Nicolatians that puts it all on one man and calls that man the Pope, the Minister, The Pastor etc.

Mar 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
Mar 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:

God’s Elect are His angels, they are His prophets and it is thru them only that Christ speaks.  We are His mouth, His arms, His legs, etc etc.  Very few know the real Christ.  They will falsely accuse God’s Elect of being elitist and having the audacity to call themselves the sons of God.  But that is exactly why carnal men rejected and crucified the Lord and the same will happen to His body.

Joh 5:18  Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

We sure can, especially at first in our immaturity, mishandle this truth and be a bit condescending to others that are blind, deaf and dumb to the truth of God’s word.  I am as guilty as anyone of doing this, but that is part of God’s plan and the process by which we are humbled and brought to truly understand the sovereign work of God and that ALL THINGS means ALL THINGS.

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Yet the other side of the narrow road shows us situations where we are to rebuke those that come against the truth.  We have such an example in John 8 where the Lord spoke to those that “believed on Him” but could not yet hear His word.  They thought they needed no repentance.

Joh 8:43  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

We can speak the truth all day long to those shut out without ears and they cannot believe us.  This is a story and a parable in John 8 of words we shall live by and experience.

Joh 8:45  And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

This is all of us before we are given ears to hear.  We claim His name but know another jesus, we only know him in the flesh, not in the spirit.  We all will think we know Him but cannot understand His speech because it simply has not yet been given to us.  Our pride will not like to hear that we have nothing to do with having ears to hear or eyes to see. We so much want to take credit for it but God will have NONE OF IT.

Pro 20:12 The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them.

Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

The concept of the body of Christ being Christ is all over the bible but it is hidden from carnal eyes.  I will end this post with a reminder of who the Lord Himself says is Jesus Christ?  Saul of Tarsus never saw the Lord and yet the Lord had this to say about who Saul was persecuting.

Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

The Body of Christ is Christ.  We are the temple in which He dwells.  He IS come in the flesh already and lives to this very day.  This is the city of angels, the heavenly Jerusalem that is the light unto this world.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

We are commanded to feed the sheep and nourish the lambs and that is exactly what we do when we speak the words of truth to those the Lord has prepared to receive it. It is a rare blessing indeed.

Luk 10:23 And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
Luk 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Just as Christ was rejected and persecuted, so is The Christ.  We follow our Lord’s footsteps.

Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

“Christ” does all the work for His Father and we His Christ do all His work.  That is the way God ordained it from the beginning of the world. Here is a gigantic verse, a trinity buster as well that simply tells us the plan of God and how HE is bringing this all about.

1Co 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Many come into the true faith but are not faithful and begin fornicating with the world and allowing false doctrines to creep in all in the name of “love”.  But we best examine ourselves and our walk often and ensure we are properly discerning the Lord’s Body.  Those who think they don’t need the Body are sadly mistaken and now sleep and are sick being weak in the faith.

1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

One day all men shall be caught up and will meet Christ in the clouds.  In that day we will all be of one Spirit.  That is what this verse falsely used to support a rapture doctrine is really saying when one is given to know what is said.  We meet Christ in the clouds which is in His Body of witnesses.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: (in spirit)  and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Sincere questions, comments can be made here or please send me an email at peterjwilson56@gmail.com.  I would love to be a helper of your joy and feed the flock of God.

Your brother in Christ,  PETE

3 thoughts on “Meeting Christ In The Clouds”

  1. Matt, The pretribulation is a total lie and fabrication that came about only in the last 150 years and has crept into orthodox doctrines. But make no mistake it is false and is another jesus. The truth is that the only way into the kingdom of God for every man is thru MUCH TRIBULATION.

    Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

    There is no other way. Contrary to what rapture proponents believe, the only way into the temple which is Christ, is by living thru the wrath of God against our old man and carnal lusts. There are no exceptions.

    Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple (Christ), till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled (in their own life).

    Noah was not delivered from the flood, he was delivered THRU the flood. Daniel was not delivered from the Lions den, he was delivered THRU the lions den. In the same way, we are not delivered from judgment, we and all men will eventually be delivered THRU judgment. That has always been the plan of how we are redeemed.

    Exo 6:6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:

    That is what we must eat and what we do eat when we begin to hear the true words of Christ and are given ears to hear and begin to come out of the lies of Babylon. We must be fed with judgment.

    Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
    Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

    The judgment of God BEGINS (not avoids) the true people of God.

    1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    And that judgment is bad news for the old man within us but look at what is said about judgment to the new man.
    Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
    Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

    So I hope you are beginning to see the total inconsistency of the rapture doctrine with the sum of God’s word. They are totally incompatable. I could go on and on with rapture busting scriptures but I won’t here. The Lord has to open our eyes and ears and bring us to understand that all of His words, ALL OF SCRIPTURE, are spirit. They are not literal words, they are spiritual words that convey a spiritual message to those the Lord has prepared to hear it.

    Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    The bible means what it means not what it literally says. The rapture is false plan and simple. The righteous shall never be removed from the earth. The one that is taken is always the OLD MAN who must die. Only the new man in all of us is left in the day of our judgement.

    Pro 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

  2. I wanted to add a few other verses to my already long post on Meeting Christ In The Clouds.

    Here are some witnesses from the old and new about being fed with judgment, the verse I cited from Ezekiel 34

    Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

    This is what the word does when we “hear” it in Spirit and a door is opened in heaven (in our hearts and minds). This happens to precious few as you know. But here are other witnesses to this same mystery, the one Babylon has completely flip flopped.

    Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
    Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

    John eating the book is referencing him hearing the word in heaven and that word which is a fire coming to consume and ultimately destroy his old man and carnal nature. Ezekiel said the same, the sum of God’s word does not waiver or contradict.

    Eze 2:8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
    Eze 2:9 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
    Eze 2:10 And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.

    if one can understand these things and come to know that being afflicted, IS THE WAY, it is the trials that are the hailstones that sweep away the refuge of lies and dis-annuls the covenant we all make with spiritual death (being yet carnal), then one is blessed indeed. This is the strange work of the Lord!!!!!

    Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
    Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
    Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
    Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. (THE TRIALS IS WHAT WRITES LAWS ON OUR HEART AND BURNS UP THE LIES)
    Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

    Judgment is sweeter than honey and more desirable than gold. It is how we learn true righteousness and it must begin with God’s Elect in this age.

    1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Sincere comments and questions are encouraged!