OSAS
Hebrews 10:36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
The promise of eternal life can be received right now when you believe in Jesus with a pure heart. To actually attain the promise we must do the will of God and endure to the very end to be saved. The will of God is described as listening to God’s son and being purified of all sin. Unless we overcome sin in our lives, Jesus will indeed erase our names from the Book of Life and we will not enter the Kingdom of God.
If you believe you cannot lose your salvation then I believe you are most likely not even a Born Again believer. You may think you are but to believe this false teaching of demons, you would have to lack understanding of the Word of God. The God of this age (Satan) has deceived very many with doctrines of demons and most professing Christians are actually worshipping a false Jesus and following a completely different gospel from the one taught by the Lord and His appointed Apostles. To believe otherwise, you might as well take out your scissors and cut out the passages I am going to show out of your Bible. They cannot be explained away.
We can indeed lose our salvation as is very clear from the Scriptures properly divided. False teachers have overtaken the modern day church and have been spreading the lie about Eternal Security or Once Saved Always Saved for far too long. It is time to awaken the church and proclaim the truth to the Sheep as time is growing very short. The Good News is Jesus came; to save us FROM our sin by destroying the works of the devil and giving us the means to live a holy life. That is how we stay saved!
“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.” 2 Peter 2:1
Here Peter warns us that because of false teachings, Christians will be deceived into following a false Gospel and follow the shameful ways of false teachers. It certainly seems to me that the teachings of Eternal Security, Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) or Easy Believism has led to a self professed church that acts and looks no different than the non believers living in the world. This has harmed the church and made the gospel harder to believe as many look at us Christians and say hypocrites! The true church is in the world but not of the world.
“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” 2 Timothy 4:3- 4
The largest and fastest growing churches of today area those that either preach OSAS or the Charismatic types that are being taught we can do all the works of Jesus without first purging sin out of our lives. We can have the same power of the Spirit but that power only comes AFTER we come thru the furnace of testing and are purified just like Jesus did when He came out of the wilderness. In either case, the error is that sin can hang around and that we can practice it and the resulting sugar high for Jesus is nothing more than religious lies that ultimately turn bitter as lives are destroyed and our faith never matures. I see many crumbling now as God’s return approaches and the judgments begin.
Churches are run like businesses to please men, add to the ranks of members and generate more money. Very little of the preaching in our churches lines up with the truth; in fact it directly contradicts the very words of Jesus recorded in the four gospels. I see the morals of our society declining and wonder if the words of Paul to Timothy above are now being fulfilled before our very eyes. God is a God of mercy, but He is also a God of judgment. The church must know that God hates sin and the requirement for repentance necessary to receive His forgiveness.
“For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.” Jude 4
I believe the license for immorality that Jude speaks about, is exactly what is being taught in many churches today. I can’t tell you the last time I heard a sermon preached at my local churches about sin and our need to repent from it, avoid it, mourn over it and aim for perfect obedience. The doctrines of OSAS and the pride of preachers who want to build large congregations have led many teachers away from teaching the whole counsel of God. Instead the are teaching only the portions of the Word that we want to hear. God is Love, God forgives us, and God has made us many promises…. While true, they have neglected to teach on equally important topics such as repentance, holiness, righteousness, the fear of the Lord and the wrath of God’s judgment.
As I continue to dig deep into the WORD and seek answers to some of the burning question I have about our Christian walk, the Lord has opened my eyes to the deception which is prevalent in today’s church and the hypocrisy that my own walk as well as others exhibits to the outside world. Far too many popular preachers are teaching a contradictory message to the one that is clearly laid out in the bible. I cannot judge ones heart, only God can, but I am concerned and feel compelled as a watchman to expose error when I see it. I by no means have all the light and welcome any debate or commentary on what I see and proclaim herein as the truth. I ask that you read this blog with that same openness of mind.
We Are Saved by Grace
Thankfully we have a merciful Father, who by his grace sent us a savior named Jesus Christ. We are saved by grace which is unmerited but that which is also conditional. Nowhere does God say his grace is unconditional, in fact there are many warnings in the bible speaking to forfeiting grace, falling away, backsliding, not being deceived, remaining in him, and enduring to the end to be saved. But even clearer than this is the fact that Grace gives us the desire and the ability to obey God. Please see my page GRACE on the header of this web URL above.
Jesus taught obedience as the way to life. He did not teach anything else. Obedience is the way unto salvation as is not a works salvation if one truly grasps what the grace of God really is. God calls us and He equips us. He alone determines on whom He will have mercy and compassion. We never earn it or deserve it, but when He does give us His gift, we still must choose life or death by our actions. We can walk away from God’s grace and follow the ways of Satan and the world. We must always abide in Him and walk in the spirit. We will obey Jesus because we are saved, not to become saved. If we aren’t doing these things in increasing measure; being sanctified during our lives on earth, then we should indeed examine ourselves to see if we are of the faith. I encourage you to read 1 John and some of my other blogs which speak to the question of How to Know You Are Saved.
Spiritual Death
In Genesis 3:4 the serpent (the devil) tells Eve his first lie to man. He tells her that “she will surely not die” and that by eating the forbidden fruit that “her eyes would be open and she would be like God”. The death that was spoken of here was spiritual death and not physical death. By eating the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve sinned and separated themselves from God. This is one of Satan’s principal tactics used throughout history for which we are repeatedly warned not to be deceived about. The tactic gets us to believe a lie, a lie that says “we shall surely not die” if we blatantly disobey God’s commands. Now many of the largest church congregations regularly hear preached that their sin has no eternal consequences and they are saved no matter how they subsequently exercise their free will and indulge their fleshly desires. This is not the bible that Jesus or the Apostles taught and many have been deceived and are ignorant of the eternal consequences.
Luke 15:24 In the story of the prodigal son, Jesus said “For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found. The supports the clear biblical teaching that we can fall away (ie die spiritually) but that we can be brought back. This is why it is so important for the church to starting teaching the whole counsel of God, as how else will the lost, fallen away be turned back unto repentance and find life again? If they are taught once saved always saved, they will not fear the Lord and may well continue in a sinful wicked life because they are taught in error that it doesn’t matter to their salvation. These preachers will be held accountable for the lost blood per Ezekiel 33:6 and other places in scripture.
Galatians 6:7-9 Do not be deceived. God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature, will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Obviously since sowing to the spirit reaps eternal life, sowing to the sinful nature reaps spiritual death, not just the loss of rewards in heaven as many falsely teach.
1 Cor 6:8-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Matthew 3:9-10 And do not think you can say to yourselves, “We have Abraham as our father.” I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Here Jesus is warning the Pharisees and Sadducees of their deception, their reliance on being descendents of Abraham for their salvation. Like numerous other places Jesus told them they would surely die if they do not produce good fruit. Satan is continuing to lie to us saying we truly shall NOT die if we keep on sinning. Who are we to believe, the father of all lies or Jesus?
I will be as blunt as I can right now. The teachings of Eternal Security are false. The teachings of Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) are false. The issue of falling away, or losing one’s salvation is not about becoming unborn. No indeed it is about DYING SPIRITUALLY. This is what we are warned about because if you die SPIRITUALLY by believing a lie (just like Eve did), it is impossible to renew you back to repentance.
John 8:51 “I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” Jesus says if we keep his word (i.e. do it, not just know it) we will not spiritually die.
Conditional Grace: God has done his part, now we need to do ours
Just like the promises God made to Israel, the promises of the new covenant are conditional. God has done his part through Jesus. We just need to do our part to obtain the prize and the promise.
o John 15 Parable of the Vine “remain in me, and I will remain in you. IF a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit. IF anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers (dies); such branches are picked up and thrown into the fire and burned” … IF you obey my commands, you will remain in my love.” This ties remaining in Jesus love to obeying his commands. Does Jesus save people who do not remain in his love? I think the branches being picked up and thrown into the fire settles that matter. It is not enough to simply be in the vine for a time, we must remain in the vine; we must endure to the end to be saved.
o 1 Cor. 15:1-2 – “Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand. By this gospel you are saved IF you hold fast to the word I preached to you—otherwise you have believed in vain.”
o Heb 5:9 …and having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
o Mt. 19:16And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter life, keep the commandments.”
o John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:16 is absolutely true, but cannot be taken out of context without the whole of scripture. True belief results in repentance, conversion, filling with spirit of God and obedience as will be seen in the manifested fruits of the spirit.
o Matthew 7.27-28 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them may be compared to a foolish man who built his home on sand. The rain fell and the floods came and the winds blew and slammed against that house and it fell – and great was its fall. This person was not saved, he was lost. Simply believing the Word is not enough, we must ACT on it
o Luke 13: 23-30 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?’ And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door, and for many I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door saying “Lord, open up to us!” then He will answer and say to you, “I do not know where you are from, Depart from Me all you evildoers”. Jesus never called the people shut out unbelievers in this parable and several others, he called them evildoers!
o John 14:15If you love me, you WILL obey what I command. He didn’t say you should, he said you Will. This means many people have not made Jesus Lord and Do Not Know Him despite praying a sinner’s prayer, going to church or calling themselves Christians.
o Heb 3:6 … but Christ is faithful over God’s house as a son. And we are his house IF indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope.
My motivation is to save souls, not to be an evil judge by my commentary. I am truly trying to awaken a sleeping church to the deception that has crept in the body of believers. I was asleep and living in ignorance for most of my life, thinking I was a Christian but not understanding or seeking the truth in his word. With new spiritual eyes, this is how I now see the majority of the body of believers. This is also how Jesus saw it when speaking about end times in Matthew “On that day, many who say to me Lord Lord will not inherit the kingdom of God but only those who do the will of my Father in heaven”.
I think we all agree that our sins must be forgiven for us to enter eternal life? Jesus spoke about situations where our Father in heaven would not forgive us our sins. Indeed forgiveness of our sins is conditional upon us forgiving other people’s sins. Sadly many professing Christians lead defeated tormented lives and are likely ignorant of the following two sayings of Jesus in Matthew.
o Mat 6:14-15 If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.
o Mat 18:34-35 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses
Those who harbor bitterness and/or unforgiveness have poisoned themselves spiritually. Those in this state of mind will be attacked and tormented by demons until they repent of their unforgiveness. Show me someone who harbors bitterness and I will show you a person that is either angry or depressed; lacking in real joy and who does not cling to the truth of God’s word.
Can Christians Fall Away? The answer is emphatically YES.
Read and meditate on these passages and any confusion on this question should be abated.
Mt. 24: 10-13 “At that time many will turn away from the faith and betray and hate each other. Because of the increase of wickedness the love of most will grow cold, But the one who endures to the end, it is he who shall be saved.” Another words, it is possible to fall away and not be saved.
Luke 8:13 …”those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe it for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.” Jesus said we must endure to the end to have life. There is no eternal security as being taught by many teachers, it is false teaching for the itching ears of those not willing to truly follow Christ. This parable of the four soils I believe is one of the most important in all of scripture. I would place it up there with the parable of the vine in terms of its eternal consequences and the wisdom upon which we are to lead our lives as Christians.
Luke 6:47 “Why do you call Me, Lord Lord”, and do not do what I say? Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock and when a flood occurred the torrent burst against the house and could not shake it because it had been well built. But the one who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of the house was great.
James 5:19-20 - “My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
If you can save one’s soul by bringing him back from his wandering, then clearly that soul was lost even though by definition that which is being “brought back” had to be saved to begin with. Notice also, James calls his readers Brothers, clearly indicating this is to be understood to apply to true believers that are sealed by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. We are secure for sure if we stay grounded in His word and don’t abandon the straight and narrow path to follow the ways of the world (those who practice lawlessness).
1 Timothy 4:1 – “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”
Since we are told numerous times we must endure to the end to be saved, abandoning one’s faith appears to be a clear way to be lost. We cannot abandon faith and expect to have eternal life. It is ridiculous that these many warnings have not been taught to the church. We have indeed let error creep into the church unnoticed and the faith of many is being shipwrecked by their lack of knowledge.
Hebrews 6:4-8 “For in the case of those who have been once enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame”.
This is a very powerful warning of falling away from the truth of the Word once you know it. There obviously comes of point where someone wanders so far away from the faith that it is impossible to bring them back as James writes in the passage above. That is why is it important for us to confront, rebuke and correct our brothers and sisters in Christ (yes to judge them righteously), but in the gentle and loving way we are instructed, or else they may be lost forever. They will have believed for a while in vain as we are told in the bible.
Rom 11:17-”If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.”
To be graphed in one must be a believer and if a graphed in branch is a believer then it clearly says they can be broken off again. It clearly says they were broken off because of unbelief and that we will not be spared either.
Galatians 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
John 6:66 “From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.” Pretty clear statement that people can fall away. Believing in Jesus is a requirement, but it requires obedience and persistent belief. These turn coats are not in heaven.
The Old Testament has scores of verses that attest to the same thing. They are still valid today as Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. God does not change. His word is infallible. For the sake of brevity I won’t put those here except to share one of my favorites from the OT.
Ezekiel 18:24 But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.
The Major Defense Given To OSAS
Teachers of eternal security (aka the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine) like to quote these two following passages as their defense of their false doctrine. This is no defense at all it you interpret them with the whole of scripture.
John 10:27-30 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
My read on this verse is that it needs to be interpreted with context. The context is of the true followers of Jesus, those that are walking with him, that know him, that listen to his voice and that follow him. If someone decides to stop following Jesus, they wander away and do not endure to the end, they indeed can be lost. When we are truly walking with God, we cannot be snatched away. So the context here is all about a present tense walk with God. That is why it is important that we constantly be on guard and not be deceived by false teachings that give us false comfort that we can live a sinful life, be no different from the non believing world and still expect to be saved because we said a prayer one time in our life asking Jesus to be our Lord.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation–having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
No where does the bible say the seal can’t be broken? Later in this same epistle, Paul makes a startling comment that includes a warning not to be deceived by empty words.
Ephesians 5:5-7 for this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them;
Additionally, OSAS preachers like to quote the verse in Philippians 1:6 that says “being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ”. While a true verse as all scripture, the meaning here is that if we continue to walk with Jesus, we will be sanctified and he will perfect us over time. It doesn’t say God completes his work even if we rebel against him, or turn away from him and follow the world. Indeed the context is lost when this passage is interpreted without bringing the verses I have shown above into the illustration.
The Need To Endure To The End
I wanted to show several key verses that many teachers of OSAS try to explain away or simply do not preach on ever. They are a sober reminder that we must endure to the end to be saved. Our seal can be broken by sin and rebellion against God and we can indeed be snatched away if we abandon the faith by exercising our own free will.
Mark 13:13 “And you shall be hated by all men for my name’s sake. But he that shall endure unto the end, he shall be saved.”
Heb. 3:14 - For we share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.” Pretty clear that our inheritance with Christ is conditional by holding firm, enduring to the end.
Heb 10:26-29For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Col 1:23 But you must continue to believe this truth and stand firmly in it. Don’t drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News.
In Peter’s second letter we are given a clear warning to not become entangled again in the corruption of the world once we have escaped from it through the grace of the Lord. Peter says that if we do become entangled again, we are worse off than if we had never known the way of Christ.
2 Peter 20-22 “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them” Let me ask a question. How can someone be worse off then they were at the beginning if they are once saved, then get entangled with the world? It is because they then are lost (not saved) and Jesus tells us several places that those who knew the truth and then reject it, will have an even more severe punishment than those that never knew the way of the truth to begin with.
Let me end this section with a sobering reminder of a message Jesus taught. In the parable of the faithful and wise manager in Luke 12:42, Jesus tells of the consequences of not persevering “But suppose the servant says to himself, My master is taking a long time in coming, and he then begins to beat the menservants and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.”. This parable is about a faithful follower, who does not persevere or endure to the end and rebels against God. Jesus said, this rebellious servant would go where the unbelievers go, that is to hell. Jesus goes on to say that this servant’s punishment would be even more severe than the other non believers because he knew the truth whereas the others did not. How much clearer can it be?
We must awaken the body of Christ from the slumber the false teachers of OSAS and Eternal Security have caused. Based on what is clear from scripture, it is not just non believers who will perish, but it is also professed believers that are evildoers or said another way in some translations, those who practice lawlessness. I have written about the distinctions between saved sinners and those who practice lawlessness in other blogs. Without rehashing the scriptures here, let me just say, we all fall short of the glory of God, we all sin, but those that are saved, do not grieve the holy spirit, sin primarily as a result of weakness not their practice, are convicted of their sins by the Holy Spirit, feel genuine godly sorrow when they do sin and exercise a sincere and heart felt repentance once convicted. Those in the true faith are indeed clothed in the righteousness of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is only upon that basis we can enter life with the Father.
Encouragement to Persevere In Faith
There are many verses that speak to the need to persevere. I simply want us to grasp the seriousness of the call to perseverance in faith.
Hebrews 12:14“Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.”
John 16:1 Jesus said, “All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. Why would Jesus say this, if it isn’t possible? The church has got to wake up as the faith of many has indeed grown cold.
Rom 2:7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil; there will be wrath and anger
Rom 6:16 you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin which leads to death or to obedience which leads to righteousness
1 Timothy 5:20 “Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning”. If we are once saved always saved, what is there to be fearful of?
Psalms 111 says, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
Most of the professing church does not fear the Lord, are not turning from darkness, and are fellowshipping with the world which is defined as enmity with God. Sadly they are deceived and have not heeded the warnings described clearly in the above passages. Somewhere along the way, preaching has turned to please men instead of being focused on pleasing God. We heap upon ourselves pastors who tickle us with what our itching ears yearn to hear.
Too much preaching today is all about the promises of God. The promises of God are amazing and we should take them to heart to help us endure the trials and tribulations of life. However, few are being taught the warnings of God and this error is leading people astray and away from repentance and a true saving faith. We are indeed to fear the Lord but the church today has twisted scripture to only teach the loving aspects of God and cherry pick the gospel and not teach the whole counsel of God.
Reconciliation With John 3:16 and Other “Believe Only Verses”
The most famous passage of scripture, at least in the USA is John 3:16.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
I believe this verse is absolutely true as is all of scripture. But to interpret it correctly we must use the whole of scripture. A couple of things I want to point out. First a key word I bolded in the verse is “should”. The verse says we should not perish if we believe in him, it does not say we shall not. There is indeed a difference in meaning. It leaves open the possibility that some could perish, even those that believe in Jesus. Given the whole of scripture I have spoken about in this blog post; and most importantly the other words of Jesus; I am certain that more is required to be saved than simple belief that Jesus is the Son of God. I looked up the word in my concordance and the word in the Greek means, to entrust, commit to trust, put in trust with. So based on the whole of scripture, I would paraphrase this verse as really saying this.
For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever fully commits to him and entrusts their lives to him, will be sanctified during their life in their physical body and will exhibit their faith through the fruit they produce and they shall surely reap eternal life.
James 2:19 says “You believe there is one God. Good! Even demons believe that and shudder.” James is mocking the early Christians that thought all they had to do was believe Jesus was the Lord to be saved and they could continue to live a life devoid of fruit. The same issues that dogged the early believer; their pride and unwillingness to count the cost of discipleship with Jesus plagues the current church despite all the biblical warnings against such folly.
2 Cor 11:3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the on you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
I am not putting up with it easily enough. I encourage you to do likewise and to test and confirm all that you hear with the Word. Let the Holy Spirit guide you in all truth. I pray that those that know the truth about Jesus will not shrink back and be destroyed.
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
http://truthinscripture.com/falling-away/ Here is a later post where we are told of the falling away from faith that can and will happen to Christians that do not move on to maturity and overcome the world and sin.
May God Bless You Richly!
I just wanted also to let all lambs know i love you all.
FEED ON THE GREEN PASTURES OF TRUTH.
Eat lambs eat. And know we shall drink of the cup ………….
Remeber these words……………..Father if it be possible let this cup pass………….the cup of all affliction……………….., nevertheless not MY WILL but thine be done.
Tis for us to live by ,and drink of . Not our will………….BUT GODS BE DONE.
Oh yes………………….the body of Christ fills up the sufferings of Christ.
Some more so than others, teachers recieve the greater condmenation.
James, Paul, they spoke of this. But they spoke and said all.
In those days………………..more than just Paul, James, etc were killed.
Two ladies were tortued etc…………..but remained true to faith.
One lady was killed, but before, upon approaching her own death………had no fear…….and embraced her own death……….that Christ be won.
Not just men………………women too. They will kill . There is nothing new under the Sun.
Rome , the golden eagle ……………………Think shes dead……………..no…………..she grows .
Same goals…………..same dreams and hopes………………just different generation.
There is nothing new under the sun. NOT a thing.
But………….heres truth. Many generations have had the evil heart………….they have persecuted, tried to kill all of Christ, tried to get them gone.
DIDNT WORK THOUGH>>>>>>>>HERE WE ARE>
HERE WE STILL ARE. Vanity , vanity all is vanity.
Fear GOD and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
AMEN>
Mans happiness………..
What about GOD, and his being loved through all times.
I keep hearing this happiness………..
Soon it will be as long as they be happy , let them be.
God wants them happy, he wants us happy.
Oh my , i hear this all the time alerady.
The OPEN Door policy. Total acceptance of gays and lesbians in church.
God wants them happy, he created them……….etc.
I dont buy this lie for a sec, and i pray we all love them enough to warn them to repent.
If one of us saw our own child on a cliff, that was could give way any second……………i dont care how much they liked dancing on that cliff………..would we not run and pull them from it.
SO why on earth would we let one continue in sin………..
I hate this false new concept of total acceptance of sin, and calling it lifestyle or Gods will.
And this goes with money, cares and pleasuers, twisting all scrips to fit what one wants.
I see the serpent at the tree behind all of this false newe age reasoning.
Did God say………………no , no you wont die……………no in that day you will be as Gods……..etc………………..no THEY DIED.
As in adam all die……………but praise God……….in Christ all live.
IN CHRIST are the key words. And if we be in Him and HE in us………..then we walk as HE , not as man.
I see one thing very powerful out of this as well.
DID you all KNOW, were it not for GRACE we would be just as they?
Isnt this something to just praise, rejoice and be alwasy thankful in all times for.
I SAY YES>
FOCUS ON GODS SALVATION, JOY IN THIS, FORSAKE ALL AND PICK UP THE CROSS. Be blessed . The whore has naught for me. BUY THE TRUTH AND SELL IT NOT. WHATEVER GOD WILLS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is my HOPE.
Forsake all, pick up the cross and come follow CHRIST.
I will not be bought, by the whores delicacies……….once i was held captive to her allures………….but then GRACE.
I hear her not…………………i have been redeemed……….not with money……….but something money just cant buy…………………..the blood of Christ. NOW dig deep Saints.
Speak the truth…………do it only in LOVE ………….still they will hate you.
But let me ask you all…………..who really is the hater?
We desrie them to have life……………………..do they desire us to have life?
NO they want us gone, out of the way, so they can have their own hearts desrie.
Pray for them…………….always pray for souls to be won. But know all who live Godly in christ shall be persecuted. NOT some………….ALL. And as i said………………..maybe only words………………..for now. Some persecuted worse than others. But all persecuted.
The world will not hate its own…………………………only those in CHRIST.
But be of GOOD cheer……………CHRIST OVERCAME THE WORLD, and aLL in HIM, that continue …………………shall and have . But dont fall away. Dont go back to the world.
We see one even in Pauls day who did……………who loved this present world.
Dont . Just contniue in His goodness, the only goodness we have, otherwise we too be cut off. Be blessed. And be warned. But this is all in true love, not sensual false love.
Just a quick reminder. if we live godly now………………even now you would see persecutions.
whether just in word in many cases………..but still you will.
I give you all the truth i know, and will share what i know by Grace.
Its not that persecutions arent happening…………..they are.all over.
Its just here in america, canada………..it hasnt yet gotten to the state it is in other places.
But one day it will. More and more control the few elite desire………….and without God, we know all is vain. Money can only keep the lost entertained for a bit……….then the mind desires more and more. And its all about a control we have yet to see. But soon will.
I have told you in times past………….the miliatry does not pratice nonsense.
They are pratcicing all sorts of new Home terrosim tactics………..or so they are told.
But remeber the new age concept…………….out of chaos comes order.
THey create the chaos, the people feaer, the people give up rights and the few gain control.
THere is nothing new under the sun. But this shall be like nothing we have ever seen.
We need to come together……….now. Start preparing to win souls, and encoruage one another daily. One praying is wonderful………………..two even better.
What do you suppose if we all prayed , all in the same mind……………for souls to be won, laboroures to be sent out. The few to gather where they can, and go out to win souls.
I see, that being in one accord is the will of God for us in Christ Jesus.
But we must cast aside meats………….and pick up Grace………….and go preach Christ and Him crucified. Paul knew. HE DID. The only way to win souls is by the gosple, not meats.
Not differences in days, meats, drinks, pronunciations of names. etc.
Christ is not preached in this…………..and no souls shall be won in this.
Only condemnation and judging and biting and devouring. And being consumed one of another. I say preach Christ and ONLY CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED.
Not CHRIST AND THE WORLD< OR EASY LIFE< ETC.
ONe is truth………..the other a LIE. THere is a time of peace………..and a time of war.
And believe me………………..there is nothing new under the sun. Nothing………….what has been shall be……………………….but one day……………………………………ALL SHALL BE CHANGED………….no more evil…………………..
Till then…………….hold fast to sound dotrine, Cling to christ, and dig deep for truth.
May souls be won. May hungry be fed, may more be done unto others, than we do for ourselves. Dig deep. Hard times in this world , here in america………….are coming to our shore as well. Reach who you can. Speak and live truth. be blessed.
I personally want you all to know………..what i see coming…………i have absolutely no fear of.
This life is but a vapour. If , if it be Gods will, and they kill me…………so be it……….to be absent from the body is to be presnt with the Lord. They can never, nor will ever be able to seperate a one of us from Gods love. thus we have no reason to fear man.
Fear God…………….and keep his commandments. I think Bill sees the many lies of the dark one that has infiltrated from the dark one to the minds of men absent of truth, and soon the world lies in chaos. But not us………….hard times, persecutions, we have naught to fear…………for we have GOd. And through it all we shall rejoice. His judgement is righteous.
And it is the righteous judgment of GOd………..that we be counted worthy to suffer for the kingdom. Read it. i speak only what Paul said, what others have said.
Let God get the glory. I dont say these things to shame us in any way.
Only to warn us. Though at the moment we live in quite simple times…………….this will not always be the case. And when it continues to worsen………..we need not grumble, or think it odd in any way of the way they will hate us, persecute us, killing some.
We need only rejoice through all tribulations, that we be coutned worthy to suffer shame for HIS NAME. This world is not my home. I never want a part of it, not a bit.
Just CHRIST, and more of the SPIRIT, wisdom , truth, understanding and knowlege, only that i do that which is right, and only to help others.
All to the glory of GOd. All to the GLORY OF GOD, and again i say all to the GLORY OF GOD. I have been forgiven of MUCH. ANd thus by GRACE LOVE MUCH.
Now dig deep saints. And praise him at ALL TIMES. whether good or bad.
AMen.
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These be days of dark evil. Never has there been days such as these in mans recored history. But in the bible………………..the days that compare to these…………..are Noahs, and Lotts. Such a false peace, such a false gospel. Such a gospel of cares of life, money , etc.
There is no doubt . We must speak the word of God.
I have seen the evil , and the carnal mind is flat out going to reason the scrips out the way it wants to understand them. We cannot change them. But the truth we speak by the Power of the Spirit can. One must be born again to recieve the truth……………or only in darkness and false understanding will they continue. One must desire God, and He alone…………..or they will reason out a part of scrips………….to suit their own hearts desire. I have seen. i have seen the days of great evil. There is a massive global flood of deception worldwide, churchwide……………
The truth is………………these be the days prophesied of …………long ago.
one needs only the spirit to see what days these be.
pray for all. Pray for all.
For when the prophesied STRONG DELUSION, from which there is no repentacne, only damnation………….when this delusion comes……………..there will be many trying to flatten doors as in the days of Lott, to destroy all which are in christ.
New age, all of it………………………the delusions are being poured mass wide.
I pray for us all………………….we have a fight coming worldwide, and i tell all its the likes of which we have yet to see, and the work upon the earth shall be short…………….lest none be saved. But for the elects sake………….the work will be cut short.
Man is NOT evolving into a more perfect creature………………….only more evil.
The only things which have evolved……….is now we have the weapons to destroy this entire earth , and quickly. Its all over, schools, sensual people, its all over.
The son of perdition needs only step up now………………..all, even many churches are now in the mindset of the easy life, the false peace, the delusion. What i say to one i say to all.
Cast all aside……………………set all affections above………………hold not even your own life dear…………..do all to the glory of the Father. Run all………………..run now to the glory of God. Win whomever, .
Time is short. From the outright hatred of truth in europe,and mass evacution from truth…………..to the false image in many american churches of Christ.
We are in the days of outright delusion. I have never seen anything like this.
They hear………..only what they want to hear. Peroid. And if it dont fit what they want………….they outright disreguard it……………..alter it…………make it make sense any way they can, to only continue on in darkness. Its all over. All over i tell you all. Love is all but waxed ice cold. Its now me, i , how we can attain. Christ did this so we can have this, so we dont have to live , or can omit the law, etc. I have never seeen it like this………..and it has not gotten better………..it has gottne worse in the nearly six short years since i have come.
Even in this last year. Outright disregaurd of truth………….and a love of delusions.
Cares , pleasures in life, selfish ambitions, covetousness, hate of truth, a outright hate of truth. The apostacy i speak of……………………..is in many professed christains.
Yall, be looking and hastening unto the coming of the Lord. This world has nothing for me.
Not a thing. Only that souls be won, truth be spoken, Christ the Prize.
I love you all. We need to come together now. And work as one. To win souls.
Pray as one to win souls, I say again pray as one to win souls.
Be blessed.
So few.
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Revelation 3:16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
I was reminded again this morning of this verse which I should add to the growing list of clear teachings about OSAS and unconditional eternal security. Jesus goes on to say here that the person spit out is not ready for HIS COMING. They had best go buy gold refined in the fire and get some garments of salvation to cover their nakedness. This is speaking of sin and things that defile still living in our hearts. I pray none of us will fall into a state of apathy and let the deceitfullness of sin sneak back into our walk with God. Beware.
All lambs of the Lord let us be in agreement to pray for Teresa and all others.
Be blessed Pete. We shall pray for Teresa!!!!!
Esther we miss you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We love you and hope to hear from you soon.
Be blessed Esther.
@Randall That is a good one. Tis better to know the ONE who knows all then seek to know it all ourselves. Of course we will fail and be puffed up in our flesh if we even try. God sings with joy when we rest in HIS love.
ZEPH 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing
I would like to ask all on this discussion board to pray for Teresa, a sister in Christ who has been out of the presence of God and in bondage to the enemy that had brought lying doctrines and sapped the love of God out her life and the gospel she followed. I believe she knows the truth now and we need to pray for grace and faith to keep her strong and pressing into the love that is waiting to be poured out into her heart.
Heres a good test question and all are free to answer.
Do we believe it is better to know it all………………..or simply to know the one who does?
Heres what i say. We need only know the one who knows it all. And seek Him daily.
As we have need…………….he gives us . Cant a one of us know nada lest the Lord reveal.
And cant none of us recieve what is spoken lest the Lord give understanding. Talk about GRACE.
This calls for a lifetime of PRAISING GOD. And for those who think this too much ……..how bout twice a day…………….BOTH DAY AND NIGHT. How could we do any less…………..unto our God who saved us not based upon our own goodness…………….but soley based on HIS.
Sing peoples …………….sing.
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Being new to Pete’s website here, I just wanted to say to Pete that I truly think from the bottom of my heart that you have attained much “wisdom” from our Lord and Savior, Yahshua! And blessings have been poured out much by the rest of you who have left comments on this blog. I just wanted to share that – I have many questions – one I would very much like to know is Pete – how long have you been walking in Christ, Yahshua?
thank you and may God continue to bless you! Amen.
I also would like to know if you share your truth Christianity on fb? I, for one, would very much like to know – my circle of Christian friends is varied – and going by what I have read from your site and your comments – some of my friends are being swayed by the devil – but think they’re really following the Lord, Yahshua…
AMEN Bill. Thank you for sharing. Is not it amazing how the essential truths of the gospel and walk of salvation all ties together from the beginning to the end. The god of this world has placed a veil over the eyes of the unbelieving that have fallen for the schemes of Satan who walk not after the spirit but of the flesh. Their delusion is God’s righteous judgment for sin (2 Thess 2:11)
Psalm 5:4-6 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day (and has never changed).
How was the OSAS doctrine developed?. It is a by product of the 19th century rapture cult. Then was forwarded and galvanized in the 20th century.
Its the continuance in His word in those who believe which makes one free, and finishes one in the faith.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
It they were to continue in his word, progressing forward in learning and obedience, then ye are my pupils. Acts ch 2 They continued steadfast in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers, as the fear of God came upon every soul: While Praising God, and having favour with all the people. There is no fear in the OSAS delusion.
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
After this continuance forward you shall then come to know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. You are not made free from bondage over night This is a discipleship process over time and you shall be formed in the image of Christ, This is the 40 year molding of the clay. It dosent happen over night. For he is the author and finisher of our salvation. This is why “set free” is a false teaching. Yes he did come to set the captives free, but they are not free indeed until the land is cleared and are no longer servants of sin. A servant of sin does not remain in the house forever. A true Christian builds upon his faith. This purging of Jacob was displayed in Gen ch 47.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
In This chapter Jesus speaks to the Pharisees concerning their bondage “sin”. They thought they were the sons of Abraham and therefore they had no sin.
In verse 44 Jesus states that these servants of sin of whom had fallen victims to the traditions of men, were in the likeness of their father Satan. OSAS is a fairly recent new age doctrine and a tradition of men, mainly developed very quickly since the socialization of the gospel that took place during the great socialization period of America with Pres Johnson’s great society, the fake Vietnam war, the CIA contrived hippy drug movement. women’s lib in the late 60s. This was done by the spirit of Jezebel. It is a dialectic product of equality that was contrived out of the red horse, thus they seek to make a socialist false copy of Acts 2 41-47. And Eve fell for the forbidden fruit of equality, then she did give to her husband and he did eat and Adam has now become an Ahab of submission. I must add that this process had several decades of preparation before it could be developed and brought forth in the 60s. For the most part the beginnings of this spirit of Jezebel in America were seeded in the 1890s, and also took root in 1917 with the prohibition protests, then again in the 1940s with the subtle Rosie the riveter propaganda.
John 8 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Those who commit sins are the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Those who are the servants of sin do not abide for ever, they must be made perfect as their Father in Heaven is perfect, The Son must be formed in them to abide forever. But those formed of the Son do not sin and are made perfect because they have Christ in them , and they abide forever. The one who remains a servants of sin are cast out. They remain in bondage. Judas for example was a disciple (pupil) but never moved forward to graduate into apostleship, because he fell away and DEPARTED from the faith. Thus he missed out on the breathing out of the Holy Ghost onto the disciples. Then the apostles grew for another 30 some odd years in the faith while developing and mortifying the virtues listed in 2 Peter 1-5 while adding to their faith.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
A true Christian builds upon his faith, buy continuing in the word and then he becomes finished having Christ formed in him. This is the sanctification of the truth process Jesus was praying of in John 17. These building blocks which make you free and forms you into Christs Image are found in 2 Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue to be strengthened in Christ by earnestly continuing for the faith by standing in the gap. Then will be added knowledge which will make you more, and more aware of yourself as you continue to die daily to the flesh, you then will be given more knowledge. Them that hath shall have more (Matt 13), this knowledge will lead to a growing awareness level of our impurities residing within us, as God purges them out of us through his chastisements fo our purpose of clearing the land. Then we begin to become tempered as Moses was tempered in the wilderness for 40 years after 1st leaving Egypt. This temperance develops our patience’s. Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls. This develops us into godliness, and brotherly kindness, which finalizes us in the agape love of the Father (charity). Then we will be made free, and will be free indeed and are perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. Then we are able to endure to the end as an overcomer just as our example Jesus did.. Then . God works though us individually, uniquely, and with different forms of purging, and heart surgery, depending on the patient, as he molds us into His image. Thou art the potter and I am the clay.
But the servant will not abide forever. He told Cain; 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire. and thou shalt rule over him.—-To rule over sin is to tread upon the powers of darkness and go from being a servant of sin to one you abides in the Son forever.
Yes God chooses who is saved, and who will not be saved. but the faulty theology of OSAS is a socialization Jezebel spirit which will deprive you from the growth that is need in 2 Peter 1-5. and will seek to persuade one that overcoming and enduring is not not necessary because Jesus did all of this for us already. If so why would Jesus be our author and finisher of our faith. Which finishes us with the agape love of the Father abiding in us.
This is not to be confused with a flesh will and running the race as Paul tells us in Romans 9-16, but rather of a cross bearing walk that does the will of the Father.
Romans 9-13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
God loves his children who walk in the Spirit of His obedience, and hates the children who via the lust of the flesh desire walking after this world. This is found in the story of Jacob and Esau. Jacob grew and was tempered while working for Leban but was not named Israel until he was 96 years old. Esau despised his birth right, and said what profit is this to me. Yet all of this was known in advance by God as He revealed it to Rebecka while the twins were in the womb. The children of the flesh are the children of the world and the OSAS doctrine is of the world which is the enemy of God James 4-4. Because they do not desire to be purged like Jacob was. The OSAS doctrine which was not of the apostles leads to the mindset of the untoward generation spoken of by Peter in Acts ch. 2, that we were warned to save ourselves from. The final version of this untoward generation (the traditions of man on steroids) was spoken of by Paul in his letter to Timothy in 2 Timothy 3.
Gen 47And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.
10 And Jacob blessed Pharaoh, and went out from before Pharaoh.— as Jacobs humility, godliness, and Charity is revealed in this verse.
Bill
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All be blessed…………and praise the Lord.
Brother Pete, there was a need to preach the truth for the benefit of the babes in Christ on who read the false teachings and can be easily led astray by false doctrine.
I have benefitted from these posts and witnesses against universal salvation. God bless.
@Randall Thank you brother and all of you here. This was a really good lesson for me. I was slow in spotting the false spirit and spent way too long reasoning and persuading those that have not understanding. These men have become enemies of the cross. “Did God really say” we cannot eat from this tree or else we shall perish argues the evil one. These men tried to argue the same lie that deceived Eve.
Phillipians 3:16-19 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
Let us stand firm in the Lord
Talk about truth. Osas was in the hearts of the jews in ch 8.
Pete, bill. and others be blessed.
I am telling yall now……what you already know.
The spirit of deception is hard at work………..and great persecutions for those
who uphold the true faith……….are coming here.
My friends we are seeing 1 Tim 6:3-6 play out in front of our very eyes. We have men who have come here with cleverness of speech, schooled in the study of man’s teachings — the study of Greek, Hermenutics, etc, the very things Dennis even boasted about ….. but knowing not the truth. Their persuasion rests on controversial questions and disputes about words. Just a sign of the time and the many Jesus said would come to deceive many.
1 Tim 6:3-6 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6But godliness with contentment is great gain
Men will continue to analyze and try to explain away the truth. But you see the truth is woven throughout the Scriptures, we don’t build doctrines on 1 or 2 verses that contradict the rest of Scripture and the sound words of the Lord Jesus. We are in the falling away. To the reader, I implore you not to be deceived by these ear tickling, flesh pleasing doctrines that proclaim peace to you and let you stay in your sin. RUN FROM SUCH MEN and doctrine.
1 Timothy 4:1 – But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will FALL AWAY from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.
Matthew 24:9 – Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10“At that time MANY WILL FALL AWAY and will betray one another and hate one another
Revelation 2:5 But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. ’Therefore remember from where you have FALLEN, and repent
Luke 8:13 Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY
Hebrews 3 – See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that TURNS AWAY from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness
Hebrews 6 – It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, IF THEY FALL AWAY, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace
2 Peter 2 – For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position
Romans 11:22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off
Dear Tlc,
IF you continue in Faith with Jesus our God and saviour, then you will be “Saved” from eternal death. The IF that Jesus speaks of with this Truth is to keep His Church humble before Him. When a person thinks OSAS false doctrine then they leave themselves open to be decieved and cast away from Jesus. This is for a few reasons: first they will not be in fellowship with the other members of the Church that agree with the Truth of Jesus that OSAS doctrine is false. Secondly when they really need Faith in Jesus when tribulations come upon them they will not have built up their own Faith to bring them through. OSAS is likened to “rapture” false teaching in that it gives the false assurance that there is some easy way out of the sinful flesh.
Love is Truthful
Dear Peter,
I agree with you on your comments about the 2 demonic doctrines going forth here. The 2 people here now defending these false doctrines claim to be in the “Faith”. Faith in Jesus is and action not a state of being. ALL must continue to move or walk in Faith with Jesus.. This includes submiting to one another in the matter of Truth. Jesus will have His Church be as ONE. Jesus’ Church must by Faith come together in one accord. Those that WILL not of their own free will come together are lost by definition. It is proper of you to keep order in the Church and to keep those disobedient “believers” out, until Jesus allows them back. Jesus wants His Church pure and built upon His Truth.
Love and Righteous rules
Pete,
When my children tell me they are very hungry, I sometimes say to them, “If you are so hungry, then lets go to McDonalds and get some burgers.” I am not questioning their hunger when I say that. It is the same as saying “Since you are so hungry, let’s go to McDonalds. and get some burgers.” The IF in “If you continue in the faith” Means “Since you continue in the faith.” It is not a conditional IF. It is a certainty!
You can research this for yourself. I have looked it up may times because I have heard your same argument many times.
There is no such thing as “falling away from the faith.” We are IN CHRIST and He cannot fall!
@TLC There is eternal security but it is not unconditional. You cite God’s plan here in Ephesians, His will for His people, the ones He has called out, the ekklessia or church. Salvation is a done deal — IF we continue, IF we endure as the saints will overcome. Nobody will snatch us out of His hand and God will not cast us out so long as we walk in covenant Loving God and our neighbor with all our hearts. But if we practice sin and claim to know Him we are a liar and the truth is not in us. The true children of God as contrasted with the fake tares. You err in taking many verses written to and for the people of God and apply them to everyone, even those not under the covenant of faith and reborn of the spiritual seed of Isaac. Not all Israel is Israel, yet all Israel shall be saved. The falling away from faith is here in full measure. You are saying peace and safety when there is no peace and yet suddenly destruction will come. Peter speaks not of everyone here.
1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy
Few there be shall find the way said the Lord. Your guru’s have speculated that means only in this life, not eternal. The Scriptures properly divided say something else. Wise virgins have their lamps burning with oil. The little flock is ready, the Bride is preparing herself and is not following the wisdom of men. The leaven of this Universalism teaching is hidden well in the meal. OSAS and Universalism both are doctrines of demons. The only way to be saved is to be led by the Spirit of God. Any other way is the works of the flesh and the foolish wisdom of men.
Luke 12:32-35 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning
Do not be led astray by the teachings of men who have twisted some of the writings of Paul just as the beloved Apostle Peter told us was happening back in the day (2 Peter 3:14-19).
I will from this point forward be deleting all comments by the same folks that keep rehashing over and over the same error. Man does not give men the eyes to see or the ears to hear. Constant striving over these matters is useless. Spend that time praying instead. Our redeemer has come and will come again.
ISAIAH 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD
If it can be lost – then it is not salvation. Salvation is eternal life – not temporary life. Salvation is a permanent gift – not a loan.
Ephesians 1:3-14 Proves OSAS is 100%true beyond the shadow of any doubt:
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. He has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places through Christ. He chose us through him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love. He predetermined (ordained) us to adoption, as sons to himself through Jesus Christ, according to the kind intention of his will. This is to the praise of the glory of his kindness, with which he freely honored us, the loved ones. In him we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace. He made this undeserved kindness abound toward us in all wisdom and insight. He made known to us the secret of his will, according to his good pleasure and purpose. It was for an administration at the appointed time. This administration is to gather up all things in Christ, the things in heaven, and the things upon the earth. Yes in him! We were assigned as heirs predetermined according to his purpose. He works all things according to his direction and will. We who were first to hope in Christ should serve to the praise of his glory. You have heard the word of the truth in Christ. It is the good news about your salvation. You also believed and were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a guarantee that we will receive our inheritance. This assures us that God will set us free to the praise of his glory.”
The OSAS doctrine is amolst exactly the same story as as the Pharasses’ theology in John ch 8.
I am going to do a breakout study on Watchmen Weekly; John Chapter 8 and the OSAS beleive, its all in that chapter.
Peace be with you
Bill
Amen sister. Eyes on Jesus.
BRO. PETE, AND SISTER ESTHER+++
A SHOUT OF HALLELUJAH, GLORY TO HIS NAME, OUR KING SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF HIS FATHER, AND HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE. LET US STAY FOCUSED ON JESUS, HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE, THE ONLY WAY. THE PRINCE OF PEACE, THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE, THE KING OF KINGS, FOREVER SHALL HE REIGN, PRAISE BE TO GOD.
LET HIS LIGHT SHINE THROUGH YOU, SPEAK BOLDLY IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY TRUE KING, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
GOD BLESS, WITH LOVE IN CHRIST JESUS, SANDRA
Any other doctrine than that of the apostles’ is ‘a wind of doctrine’ that tosses to and fro. One who stands upon such is standing upon sinking sand. Rom 6:17, 2 Tim 4:3.
We stand with Christ and upon the doctrine that Christ has given to His Apostles:
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.(Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things.) And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Eph 4:1-6,9-16
@Richard, you have been deceived by your wind of doctrine and you are under the judgment of God and this judgment is that you cannot see it. Humble yourself under His Mighty Hand, resist the devil and submit to God and He will deliver you. God will have mercy but you need to repent for not loving the truth / trusting in a lie, another spirit, the precepts of men over His Word, over the doctrine He has given to His Apostles.
In Christ, Esther
Phil 3:2-3 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
The promises of eternal life only come to those that enter into covenant with God and walk in it. We do this by faith in Jesus Christ. This defines who are God’s people. This was the promise given to Abraham. The sign of God’s people was always the circumcision of the heart. Anyone else without true faith is not in covenant, they are not the children of God. They are dogs.
Jesus came to save those that were lost of the house of Israel. This is speaking of Spiritual Israel, and so it shall be ALL ISREAL shall be saved.
Let’s pray for the lost, the deceived and that we (who are in the truth by His grace) will stand thru this rampant apostasy and the new age teachings based on the wisdom of men. The true gospel has always invoked strong opposition, this has never changed.
1 Thess 2:1-5 For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain: But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention. For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile: But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:
Dear children of Jesus,
I am a living Apostle of Jesus whos name is Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit of Jesus the True Christ. I tell you the Truth that the Bible verse stating that “… Christ who lives in me.” Is the Holy Spirit of Jesus that lives in YOU. YOU did not become Jesus the Christ. YOU are joined to Jesus the Christ. YOU must continue to obey Jesus in all that He has commanded YOU.
Richard has stated to us today that the English Bibles are garbage, yet he uses bible verses in English to preach his false doctrine.
Know the Truth of Jesus
Love and Courage
Hi Randall,
Everything I believe comes 100% from God’s Holy Word. I do not follow any man or any church. I follow God’s Holy Word only. God has opened the eyes of my understanding. I have been studying God’s word for 38 years. I will pray for you also that God’s reveals the TRUTH of His Holy Word to you.
People………this is why i say the need to put down all other stuff and read only the Bible
is now. There are far too many lies out there.
Just read the word.
Richard…………..please i am only trying to help you.
Just forsake all that other stuff…………and read the word for yourself.
Drop all teachings of man. And go back to the beginning.
And just read them. You will see. Just do this.
You will see……….that many that teach strange doctrines have to twist other scriptures
or omit them to make what they believe true.
Just begin anew in the gosples and read daily. The scriptures do make us wise unto salvaion through faith in Christ.
Just do this Richard. I will pray for you.
Dear friends of Jesus,
Jesus is Good and He will destroy all evil people for our sake and the sake of Goodness. Jesus Will do what He said He would.[NAS] [Hebrews 4:6] Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, They will be destroyed. Their soul and spirit.
[KJV] [Revelation 3:5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Jesus is ALL Powerful and Just
Love be True
The APOSTLE Paul said under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit – “For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.”
So Richard is a dead man! Gal 2:20 says – “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.”
I think I will stick with what the Bible says.
Dear saints of Jesus,
I am Paul. I am not Jesus our God.
I have the Holy Spirit of Jesus in me.
I am joined to the Holy Spirit of Jesus.
I am not Jesus our Heavenly Father.
I serve Jesus who is our God.
I AM not Jesus who has Saved some of us from our sin.
I am NOT Jesus who is the only Head of His True and Faithful Church.
I am in Love with Jesus
I can not deny that I am a part of the Body of believers in Jesus Almighty
Love is Honest
This is why we ought never entertain , strange doctrine, or another gospel.
We have seen one woman leave, maybe for good.
We must stand for the truth. Many have the mindset of Richard.
Many, even professed christians claim many of the same things.
How can the love of God dwell in any…………………when they
say all will get to heaven? How. How does Christ indwell one who says such things?
He does not.
So why would we ever entertain strange doctrines or another gospel, which really is no gospel .
How can one claim love……………..yet claim such things?
Its that sensual end time, good feeling, all roads gospel.
Its false. And i bodly refuse to hear its nonsense.
God is righteous in all He does. And none has no right to try and accuse Him of
being unjust or a tyrant, or other harsh words…………………just because many
dont make it………..or that many be damned.
God is righteous. They had the choice……………and their only condemnation
is that they would not come to the light……….to have life………..for their deeds are evil.
Man is who is evil. God is good.
And evil must be destroyed. God is love and made the way in Christ.
Man is evil and his heart is evil from his youth up. God is good.
All things are created by him……..for Him , his purpose and good will.
And that in all , in the Son………….God be glorifed
A lake of fire is created in which all evil is destroyed.
And the wages of death is sin. Sin is what we earned, death,. But the gift of life is free.
Richard it is you, who say God is evil………if he has made a Hell or lake of Fire.
You claim He is not love if these exist. You create a God to suit your own fears,
and make claims God is not Love if people be damned for eternity.
So it is not us………..who make accusations against GOd.
It is you. For you claim if people be damned for eternity……….God would not be Love.
Well he gave us the way out……….and THE only way is in the Son.
As in the days of lott and Noah , it is man that waxes more and more evil.
Let God be true and every man a liar. All is for His glory.
And the truth we speak, and the goodnes we have ………..is not from us……..
but a gift from God.
The reason Osas is not in the bible, or everyone goes to heaven is not there.
Is becaus this end time teaching is as false as man being righteous apart from God.
Now that is false and a major delusion.
Pete…………………….may none of us…………..ever recieve nor listen to
anothe false gosple again. The early church was big agains this.
And it only brings harm and division, and ugliness and etc.
We have enough enemies , that wish us harm.
And believe me when i say…………….we have a fight for the true faiht coming
the likes of which we here, have never seen.
this new religion is all over………….even the president endorses it.
Ever wonder why? All things prophesied are coming to pass.
And you would be both saddned and utterly gasp if you knew
how many alredy endorse at least parts of it in thier mind set.
And its all in the name of world peace? Brings understanding to the words
and through peace he shall destroy many.
May we never again listen to nor entertain a word of this falsehood.
It is evident Richard does not repent………and it to is far more evident
He preaches another gosple.
So may none hear him. Still i pray He repents of it. FOr i truly desire none to perish.
K F – the same reason that I would warn someone about a coming tornado. Paul warned his fellow Christians about Alexander the Coppersmith. People need to be warned about false teachers and heretics for their spiritual well being during this life.
Here is a great website with numerous articles from the 1800′s about the full extent of the atonement. Check it out.
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/univart.html
Dear Richard,
Why would you warn others away from brother Paul whom you refer to
as a deceiver when all of the World is going to be saved anyway including
ALL liars and deceivers? I ask this simple question in earnest and with love
and ONLY Jesus Christ knows what is in our hearts. As always all followers
of our Lord should ask the Holy Spirit for His guidance 1st and foremost
for discernment and understanding of the Word of God written in the
Holy scriptures. May You speak with Love in your heart and with a humble
Spirit. Let us all speak not with the spirit of self-righteousness, but of Gods
Righteousness.
Hi Randall,
We were discussing the verse that says “I have died and my life is hidden with God in Christ” and the verse that says “It is no longer I that live, but Christ who lives in me.” So he said are you Richard or are you Jesus. I said Richard was crucified with Christ and died in with Christ. He said, “So who am I talking to? Am I talking to Richard or Jesus?” So with that whole context in mind, I told him he was talking to Jesus. Another verse says “For me to live is Christ” So that was the context of my statement, which Paul very coveniently left out!
That is deceptive. Maybe he should run for political office.
WHAT? THE SEED OF DECEPTION IS GROWING EVER STRONGER.
THE LORD IS MY STRENGTH, HE IS MY SHIELD, I WILL FOREVER PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME. HALLELUJAH
GOD BLESS, WITH LOVE IN CHRIST JESUS, SANDRA
RIchard………….the time to be honest is now.
So i am going to ask you a question and just answer truthfully.
Did you tell Paul you were Jesus?
I havnt known paul to tell a lie . Are you saying you are Jesus?
Randall, the truth is not in you and you are deceived. I will pray for you that God opens the eyes of your understanding.
Paul Borner is a liar and a deceiver who does not know Christ. He is a false teacher and heretic. Be warned of his evil poison and doctrine of demons. Having nothing to with this wretched blasphemer.
Dear Saints of Jesus,
We had a long talk with the spirit of the antichirst today. Satan was speaking through Richard. Richard phoned our number here at home my son Matthew my wife Lisa and I talked with him for at least 2 hours. I hope to have some of the conversation posted on our website: Jesus111.com
Richard said everybody on the earth is deceived. He says no one can be free from sin. He says no one has free will of anykind. As you know He says every person will be “Saved”. He is possess with many devils. He is in Fear and will not come to meet with us here in New York . We did offer to pay his way. He will not even give his phone number.
He says there are thousands of people that believe his way. He said ” I am Jesus”. He said did not talk of Love one time.
The spirit of the antichrist is on the rise
Look up for our redemption draws near
Love is our Gift from Jesus
Amen Randall
Bill
@Paul……….it is very sad for Richard.
he cannot see…………….he does not realize that he is decieved.
And thus all we can do now is pray for him.
He does not understand that one can fail of the Grace of God.
How did Satan try and deceive our Lord…………..by twisting scripture.
Richard cannot see he has been decieved by Satan.
God is not the one who abandons nor forsakes us……………….it is the heart of man
that resists the spirit of God……who harden their heart to His warnings.
Thus it is man that forsakes God and goes back to mans evil ways.
IN Christ we overcome the world , our faith overcomes the world.
But many are called…………….few chosen.
For many go back after being washed clean………..to wallowing in the mire yet again.
The dog is turned to his own vomit………..the pig that was washed clean to her wallowing in the mire. Its in Peter.
These false teachers twist everthing to suit their own image of who they think God is…..or should be.
God is righteous in all. None deserves Grace. All deserve death.
But praise GOd……………..for he gives grace unto the humble.
He freely gives……………….
Whom He will he hardens……………….etc. RIchard you are in danger .
You must hear the voice of God .
Dear Richard,
Can’t have it both ways. “Jesus Christ is both the Author and the Finisher of our faith”
The Keys Words are our faith. Jesus paid the price for our sin. YOU must overcome YOUR sin. Jesus wants YOU to lay down YOUR sin at His feet.
Love is the Pure Truth
Dear Saints of Jesus,
Richard Richards is of the antichrist spirit. He is not “saved”. He is most certainly a false apostle and teacher. He was deceived 40 years ago when the demon spoke out of him pretending to speak to the Holy Spiirt of Jesus. That demon speaks out of Richard today. Richard has not repented of his sin. Religious pride consumes his spirit. He is headed for damnation or condemnation.
[KJV] [Mark 3:29] But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
[KJV] [Mark 16:16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[KJV] [John 5:29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
[KJV] [1 Timothy 5:12] Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.[KJV] [1 Timothy 5:13] And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
[KJV] [2 Peter 2:1] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord Jesus that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
I have counted 10 witnesses that have come against the false teaching of universay salvation taught by Richard. I have seen none of them change their postion. Richard has only 1 choice, that is HE must Change. Hitler did not Change and will be destroyed by Jesus. Richard will go the same way IF he does not Change his evil ways.
Richard or anyone else may phone us here at: 845-832-3223
Love is Just
Jesus overcame sin for us. He is our light and our salvation. He is our righteousness. Rest in the finished work of the cross. In Him we live and move and have our being. It is no longer we that live, but Christ who lives in us. Jesus Christ is both the Author and the Finisher of our faith – not us.
Dear Adele,
You stated that: “we all sin”. Do not include me in your assessment. Sin is doing evil. Jesus does not want any of His children to sin. You can overcome sin by being Faithful to Jesus. What must occur is that you put away your sin. It is part of repentance.
Love is the action of Faith toward Jesus
Love and Truth
Hi Chuck,
Please forgive me for any confusion or lack of clarity. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER! Jesus is the ONLY WAY to salvation. There is NO OTHER name given among men by which we must be saved. HE is the WAY the truth and the life. Salvation is ONLY through Christ. There is no other way – NONE! I am NOT a Unitarian Universalist.
The Gospel message is also about THIS life! Soldiers risk their own lives so that we can live in FREEDOM! Jesus Christ came to set us free from sin and evil in THIS life. There is no sin in the next life. Sin brings destruction – it destroys marriages, families, relationships, health, well being, mental stability, etc. Sin causes depression, fear, anxiety, anger, hate, turmoil, delusion, loss of hope, wars, terrorism, divorce, child abuse, rape, theft, violence, jealousy, insecurity, rejection, disease, sickness, heartache, boredom, passivity, lack of concentration, addiction, alcoholism, etc etc etc etc etc.
Some Drs spend their entire lives trying to find a cure for diseases like cancer? Why? We are all going to die someday anyway? Do you think the Gospel is just about or mainly about how to get to Heaven? God could have created us in Heaven just like He did with the angels! Why did He put us here on the Earth? Just as a test to see who makes it to Heaven???? THIS LIFE all by itself is extremely important to God. The re will be a new Heaven AND a new Earth. Why a new Earth if all Christians are going to Heaven and everyone else goes to Hell????? Why a new Earth???? Who is going to be on the new Earth????
On what day of creation did God make Hell? On the 6th day, when He was finished with creation, He said it was VERY GOOD! So when was Hell made??? Is Hell VERY GOOD? God said not to overcome evil with evil, but to overcome evil with GOOD! Is Hell GOOD???
Hell is a lie and a doctrine of demons.
Richard,
This will be my last post in regards to what you are saying; it is for your benefit and not mine.
You have a beautiful testimony of a day of acceptance, making Christ Lord and savior of your life. You were delivered from a spirit of catholic/ atheist deception, as so many others have been, this is what you said. What a beautiful day it must have been, as you cried with joy, having now received Christ in your life, the truth. As you said, you were now able to share him, to a lost and dying world (why else would you witness for him, as you have stated).
As I said before, your testimony of acceptance for Christ, is a pattern that a lost and dying world needs to hear, but, by what you are saying in regards to” all” men will be reconciled to God, despite rejecting Christ as Lord of their lives, it denies those people to have a beautiful testimony and relationship as you say that you have. It simply makes no sense to share this message that you have brought, again, what is the benefit of professing it? Why would you go through the door of salvation in Jesus Christ, and experience a relationship with Christ, and then tell others that it will be OK, and “all” will be saved regardless. You are telling people that there is another way (John 14:6), in contradiction to your own testimony, ask yourself why would you do that . No fruit from this tree can be produced as far as bringing people to a decision for Christ, it creates two doors to salvation, instead of one.
Pete, I apologize in advance for possibly throwing more gas on the fire, I simply did it out of compassion for Richards benefit. God bless, Jer33:3