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Aya – I am in agreement with others here who declare that homosexuality is sin, one cannot condone this activity under ‘love your neighbour’.
Please read Romans 1, for Pauls instruction.
We are to love our neighbour, yes – but that love for the person does not include agreeing with, or approving of their actions, when they are sinful.
In His love,
Roger
Greetings and Peace be with all: Aya, may I suggest reading the book of Jude, and ask what the reference to “strange flesh” spoken of in scripture means, and give a reminder of Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuality is a SIN, and goes against everything that God intended. He created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. However, there is forgiveness for this, if one repents, and turns away from this activity, remember the adulteress, Jesus told her to “go and sin no more”. Yes, we are supposed to love them, but that doesn’t mean that we must approve or partake of their sin, we are to try and pull them out of the fire, so that their blood wont be on our hands. Make no mistake, homosexuality is a sin, but it is not the “sin unto death” or “the unpardonable sin” God is faithful to forgive, if we change our hearts, and come to HIM in all humility. All will be in my prayers.
God Bless,
In humble service to the KING of KINGS
I agree, sodomy is not loving your neighbor. I also believe that most of what the world calls love, including a lot of what’s called love in marriage is lust, self-satisfaction, pure self love. The following is not mine: “No men provide worse for themselves, than they that love themselves more than God.” Blessings m
Amen Bob. I am not sure how someone got over here in Archive 1 to leave that comment, but they are sorely deceived. This young woman needs prayer, as she has been raised in an emerging church culture of tolerance and the perversion of grace and love.
Anything that goes against the truth and God’s righteousness is not love. Sodomy is not loving your neighbor.
that the essence of the new voecnant is the three commandments of love. that god loved us first and thru grace we believers in turn love him back with the same love. that we are to love ourselves and our neighbor(who is every body else) in the same way that christ love us.romans and galatians . that the 2nd commmandment is the summation of all, all new voecnant law. that under the new voecnant we no longer live under the law as in deut 28, but grace, and now the law which is a shadow of things to come not the realities themselves is to make believers conscious of NOT loving their neighbor as themselves . and because being gay does not come against the love of the 2nd commandment(love neighbor)(knowing we cannot love god if we are not loving our neighbor also ) it is not a sin.mark that which is not against us is for us and just because certain things are not written specifically in scripture does not mean they are against god.1cor13 anything without love is nothing and gains nothing obedience, faith,belief, etc
Emelio……the pharisees coulnt heal.
A pharisee can only teach their version of the truth.
Its why they couldnt even believe the blind man , till they heard his parents.
And even then just continued to lay fault.
Emelio, did you know the apostle Paul , in many of his letters identifed him self
as an aposlte, chosen , called by God. He made it clear he was not worthy to be called
an apostel. But read many of his opening lines and closing. Was he highminded?
Or was he simplly indentifying his calling in Chrsit.
Now me, just call me brother. But lets really understand what a pharisee is…..and not just what or who we think one is.
And by all means i am not defending Owuro. But i refuse to label him one way or the other ….. In other words tilll i know he is false, I will remain SHHhhhhhhhhhhshed
about him. Now if you know that he is……..show us exactly where.
That is the new challenge of the day. Prove it…..or may we reamin shushed.
Emelio, i am grateful to hear the many things you have spoken over the last few months.
But we must all be careful who we label what……..without first hearing them.
Then warn the others. Unless you KNOW he is false . Let us reamin shhhh
I can name lots of false prophets…….but too without a doubt i know they are false.
God does not desire false accusers. Again if you have proof he is false, by all means warn us. But Prove it.
David Owour’s advertisement here in Manila promotes physical healing not spiritual healing that most of us already knew, he has some characteristics of a Pharisee.
Hello Barb..Great to meet you..I have enjoyed your posts on the discussion panel and look forward to growing in Christ and in fellowship with you and the others..with regard to the book— Mr. Newbold gives away all of his books free of charge on his web site , this is the link: http://www.charlesnewbold.com/index.html..I look forward to reading all of them..Enjoy the rest of your weekend!!
Thanks for the recommend Charlene. Sounds interesting; I just ordered it from Amazon.
Hi Pete
I live in Phoenix, AZ ..where the average summer temps are between 109 and 113 degrees!! It has certainly been a hot summer thus far..I have been following the discussion panel on the 144,000 and the remnant..that was what I wrote to you about in my e-mail over a week ago..must be something heavy in the spirit…I am reading a book called “The Crucified Ones, Calling Forth the Endtime Remnant” by Charles E. Newbold..very powerful truths in his writings..I think you and the others might enjoy his insight, truly a man after Gods heart!! thanks again for all of your kind words of encouragement..
Peace,
Charlene Michaela
Wake up CCF and any others that would listen to dr. Owuor and think he is Faithful to Jesus and preaching the Truth. He is totally false. He is of mans religious system, babylonian church.
Jesus is real and personal.
Amen Bill – God’s warning to repent is the sign of the end. Blessed are they who have received of the awakening and warning. I have been waking up ever since The Lord called me out of His mount Zion. I am getting ready for Him now, it does not matter when I will be caught up, but that I better strive to BE caught-up with the first ones that are caught up! To know what is happening spiritually, we must not slumber as the ten virgins slumbered. I have heard the cry, “Behold, the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet Him.’ and have been sobering up in prayer, self-denial and watchfulness, trusting not on last night’s oil in my lamp. I am preparing that I may receive as much oil as He will give to me that will keep my lamp burning til He comes. O Church awake from your slumber! We will not barely make it to The Kingdom, we must strive all the way to be ready now, blameless now.
Here is a little story about as in the days of Lot. Abraham was the type and shadow of the 144,000 while prederventuring for the multitudes in Sodom. Abraham had known many of Lots familiy and tribe members before they went their seperate ways. Lots and his people went on to Sodom. Abraham loved and prayed for those people as he pleaded with God. This prayer is found in Joel 2-17.
Notice that Lot had to be litteraly dragged out of Sodom like the 5 foolish virgins, and set out side the city. He would not leave on his own accord. His whole life and relationships were built around that environment. He did not want to give up his home, occupation, and familiarities.
Sodom “the church,” the believers, and Gomorrah “the world, or Gov. AKA the unbelievers” Another layer is church and government.
Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Genesis 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
God is looking for 50 righteous in the church of Sodom. There are no righteous in Gomorrah , yet the text says they both had cries of evil doings in verse 20.
Here we see that God first judges Sodom “the church”. Sodom many times the text is referenced as a harlot, and the similitude of the whoring Israel. It is listed 48 times.It was Sodom who was judged first for their sins, then Gomorrah. Gomorrah occurs 19 times in the text. The angels first came to the house of Sodom where Lot (the multitudes) was sitting at the gate, then Lot rose up and bowed his face to the ground. The bible does not once reference Gomorrah as being the whore, she, her, or the harlot. The harlot is always referenced as being Sodom in the text. Sodom is referenced as sister, she, and her in the text, but never Gomorrah. Gomorrah was the unbelievers.
Ezekiel 16:48—Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.—Matthew 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.—Luke 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.—Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Here in Matt and Luke Jesus compares Sodom with the present day church. Lot from the apostate church Sodom into the wilderness and both Sodom and Gomorrah (the unbelievers) went up in smoke. Sodom first, and Gamorrah 2nd which was already toast.
Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
While judging Sodom that night as God angels of death come upon Sodom like a thief in the night, and the next day they were convicted and torched. GWTJ. Lot and his 2 daughters escaped all things, but did not come back and teach Gomorrah, they received not a 2nd chance to learn what the were ignorant of. excuses won`t matter now, it`s to late. Romans1-20. Gomorrah got no 2nd chance. Even though the judgement came first to the house of God (Sodom). God judged Sodom in the night, and they knew not. This is why we are to have our house in order NOW. The Lord comes like a theif in the night, we may know of the season but no man knoweth the hour. It could be next week. next year, 20 years, or even 100 years, but we are seeing all the spiritual signs of the end of the age now. The only sign given for the apostate church is the sign of the prophet Jonah,“aka“ (repent), that is the only sign given to an evil and adulterous generation.
When Sodom goes up in smoke so will Gomorrah. Like then Sodom is being spiritualy judged now, and they dont even know it. Get out of her while the getten is good, and dont go back to get your coat. It could possibly all go up in flames by tomorrow.
Bill
Rev 3:10,11
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold I come quickly, hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown
This is my interpretation,
The 144,000 servants of God are the Israelites of the old covenant – their seal is given by God through angels, their seal is not The Holy Spirit.
We know that the man-child was to rule all nations with the rod of iron. Throughout the book of rev, we are told that them that overcome will rule all nations with the rod pf iron. The power to rule all nations with the rod of iron belongs to Christ and them that overcome. The woman is the Body of Christ as in 1 Cor 12:13, them that are of the new covenant and hence separate from the 144,000.
Hence, the man-child is the remnant of The Body of Christ (all who are called and chosen and are one in the Holy Spirit) who overcame by Rev 12:11. The man-child are the called and chosen ones who remained faithful unto death. These are also the ones whom God have called to come out of Babylon and he has scattered them and separated them unto The Lamb (Rev 17:14). The same is spoken of in Daniel 11:32-33 – them that do exploits, them that see the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place. These are also the one-third that are purified, made white and tried in Dan 12:10. – these will escape the rest of the tribulation to come.
The man-child is caught up unto God’s Throne AS SOON AS he was born of the woman, the dragon stood ready to devour it but as soon as he was delivered, was caught up unto God’s Throne – HALLELUJAH!.
The man-child will escape the wrath of the lamb and the persecution of the dragon – rapture will take place in the middle of the tribulation period soon after the sounding of the seventh trumpet !!
The woman then flees into the wilderness prepared by God for 1260 days and then the dragon makes war with her and persecutes her even as God’s wrath is upon him and the earth. The woman (without the man-child) is the left behind remnant of the body of Christ, also the 11th workers, also the foolish virgins, these will have to keep their faith unto the end of the tribulation period to be saved.
@Charlene Welcome Charlene!!! I know you are undergoing some challenges but keep the faith. I am with you in the battle and the fiery trials. Let’s pray for each other and good health and sound mind. Where do you live charlene, I can’t remember now if you told me but I was wondering if you are in this oppressive heat and humidity we are having in the South and MidWest?
Note to Board: I am going to find a way this weekend to archive old comments yet still make them accessible via a different link or page. As we get more comments here, the page takes longer and longer to load and some have noted that to me. So if you come and see all the comments are gone, there will be a link to prior comments and we will build a new page hopefully full of edification and encouragement.
There are many antichrist. They are spirits that try to mislead people into believing the Almighty God the Father of all did not or could not become a man in the flesh. They talk trinity garbage trying to confuse and diminish the fact that the creator of all things did come to earth in the person of Jesus (Christ,annointed one).
Jesus has the plan to SAVE as many as Will be SAVED from eternal damnation.
Bless ALL that receive the Truth.
Love and Hope
Bro. Bill, Thank you so much, so glad you understand, God bless you—-with love in Christ–
your sister, Sandra
Randall, I love you too
God bless all
hello everyone
I am newly baptized in Christ and also a humble servant being led by the truth of his spirit..I was called out of Babylon and the religious church system nearly 2 years ago and have been on a journey of a fire baptism and the death of my flesh ever since..I have shared my testimony with Pete and have been blessed by his fellowship and iron sharpening for the past couple of months..I have enjoyed reading all of your testimonies, posts and commentaries as they have served as a great comfort in my time of tribulation and hardship for the cause of following Christ and his Lordship..I hope to continue in fellowship with all of you and share my joys, sufferings, and mysteries of the kingdom as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Saviour Jesus Christ..
May his grace and mercy be with us all,
Charlene Michaela
Antichrist, enemy of the cross, divisive person, beast, man of lawlessness, scoffer, clouds without rain, wild waves, twice dead, wandering star and autumn trees. These should be taken as one, the one causing men to sin. For it is God’s will that men to be holy.
That’s why Paul said to the Ephesians to watch their selves closely. So if any of us wander from faith will become the enemy of the cross for all those not with Christ are his enemies.
Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied round his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. Lk. 17:1-2
Emilio
Thanks for the wise council. God be with you and all praise to Him that created all things.
Agape
Bill
Bill just a reminder to be careful on what we say. Yes we really cannot prove anything that we say for it is only conclusion on things. But we do believe in the scriptures which is God breathed and not to men, scientist, archeologist, historian and recently appeared theories. We are like them as well no accuracy of what really happened but only speculations.
Sandra
I am so blessed to be able to share the gospel with you and many others here today.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
The antichrist is what Paul spoke of also as another Jesus, (in place of Jesus) it is that spirit that seeks to diminish Christs finished works which confirmd tjhe covenant prophesied by Daniel in 9-24. I do not have all the answers by no means. No one will be saved by having perfect doctrine. Many times on these particular identities in scripture I have been wrong in the past and the Spirit has corrected me over time, I still have much to learn. I played the “pin the tail on the antichrist donkey” for quite awhile before I came to the understanding that God has now given me on this subject of the antichrist. I probably still don’t fully understand all the layers of the onion.
I am very blessed to be able to learn from you as well as others on this discussion group. Place no man on a pedistal and seek the Holy Ghost for all guidence.
John said any spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is that spirit of antichrist. This means all those who do not believe on the gospel of Jesus Christ and His finished works, His anointing, (Cristos), His testimony, and all that he said He did. These who do not believe “on” Him are of another spirit. There are many false prophets who believ in Jesus today, but not the Christ. This is why Psalms 138-2 says that God has magnified His word above His name. The new bibles have changed that as well. Many false prophets in the world today have the name Jesus, but do not have the word. (his testimony). Jesus warned us Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. He tells us that the deception will come right out of the church and will deceive many. All that are teaching the doctrines of a specific antichrist that will come and sit in the physical temple are coming out of the apostate church teachings, this theology was written by Francisco Rebera a Jesuit priest, I think from the 17 th cen. to take the heat off the Pope as being the antichrist at that time.
It has grown slowly and infilterated Christian theology over the centuries by many imposters such as Cyrus Schofield, Darby, Hal Lindsey, Tim Lahaye, the Dallas Theolociacl seminary, and in fact every simenary, this is where the whole slew of other false prophets with their degress in Hermenutics (the greek god Hermies) have received thier corrupt understandins of the text. If they all teach it is most likely incorrect, because the bible teaches that the whole church will be deceived in the end.
The kingdom of God comes not with observation. He said that this evil and adulterous generation will be given no sign except the prophet Jonas (meaning repentance) They didnt see it 2000 yrs ago, and the apostate Corp Church Construct of today who all teach that the ANTICHRIST is a final dictator theology are also all blind and wont see it because they can only see with flesh eyes, and hear with flesh ears, and understand with a flesh heart that is uncircumcised. So the common denominater is this, if their all teachinjg it, it is probably false.
seek the Holy Spirit for all truth.
May God bless and keep all the brothers and sister here in His Ark
Bill
I see the birds and Sandras smililng face!!!!!
Be blessed everyone.
Bill and Emelio as well!!!
Bill, by now there isnt any snow left at the tops of those moutains……is there?
Down here Me, Sandra, and Laurie are in a hot zone.
All be blessed. And lets all pray for one another, and others.
Barbs and others come say hello!!!! oh, Karen we love you. Stay encouraged.
calledchosenfaithful
I dont fully understand the multitude. I have been seeking to do a study on that subject but it has not been made completely clear to me yet. The multitudes appears to be the 5 foolish virgins whom Jesus said; He did not know, they were still asleep. But Jesus did not say to them “I never knew you” like He did in Matt 7 and other places in the text. Jesus did not reject them like he did in Matt 7-23. Jesus also did not say to the 5 foolish virgins “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” declaring that they were unholy like he did in the other 7 times in the text.
The reason wheeping and gnashing of teeth it is written 7 times is because God was declaring them to be unholy.
Matthew 8:12—Matthew 13:42—Matthew 13:50—Matthew 22:13—Matthew 24:51— Matthew 25:30 —Luke 13:28.
Jesus did not say any of the this to the 5 foolis virgins (the 11th hr. workers). The bread was first broken and given to the diciiples, and they inturn gave it to the multitudes in matt ch 14. They are both joined together and become the man-child to make up the body of Christ, or the bride of Christ. The 144,000, appear to be the ones who come when they are called out of her, and the multitudes are dragged through the wine press of tribulation at the 11th hour. I don’t fully understand it enough at this point and time. There are 4 catagoies, the serpents , the scorpions, the multitudes, and the remnant seed of God. The multitudes multitudes are in the valley of decision, it apppears to be a fight over who will posses the multitudes. When a multitude is saved they are now joined with the 144,000 and are part of the manchild. There is always a deep mystery to these difficult subjects, because Gods ways are much much higher than my ways. Who can hold the mind of God? He has given me a tiny bit of understanding, and reveals a little more when He is ready to do so.
The kingdom of heaven is liken to 10 (perfect) virgins. I view this as the 144,000 the 5 wise virgins , joined with the 11th hr. workers the 5 foolish virgins. Both are given grace (#5) and are the perfection of the saints, o alsor the bride of Christ.
Agape
Bill
There is no account of writing in the scripture before Moses. The Chaldean’s were very primitive and tribe like, along with the city of Or.. How Enoch prophesied is a pre flood mystery, Verry little is know about the pre-flood world. Even the first beast kingdom of Egypt had no real form of writting, other than hyrogliphic picture writing. Writting did not come about until Moses. It is quite possible that Moses was the first man who could read and write. It is something I cant prove, but it is just a logical conclusion I have been shown.
Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
There is no book of Zacharias yet he prophesied.
Jude was speaking that Enoch new and spoke of all the saints that were to come. 10,000 is symbolic of the perfection of the saints
I can assure you the book of Enoch is from Satan.
God Bless
Bill
Bill brother, correct me if I’m wrong but Jude mentioned Enoch wrote about the godless men.
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” Jude 14-15
Our ancestor Enoch cannot prophesied unless it is written by him. Jude read the scripture of Enoch around 2,000 years ago. As I understand the first literature was taught to him and the calendar.
The numberless and great multitude are them on the earth who are walking in the spirit (spirit-filled sons and daughters of God who follow Jesus daily and are overcoming all things by the grace of God, in trials and tribulations – also the gentile remnant of believers
Rev: 9 After this I beheld , and, lo , a great multitude, which no man could number , of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying , Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying , Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered , saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they ? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest . And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Bro. Bill, sorry! I guess that is what happens when one does not read the whole post, I apologize, it is late and I’m tired, was trying to hurry, sorry.
Goodnight to all, and God Bless
yours forever in Christ Jesus
Scripture reference to the term “antichrist”
1John 2:18 & 22
1John 4: 3
2John v7
The antichrist, the son of perdition, the “man” of lawlessness, the father of a lie, are not these all the same? Bro. Bill you are right that it is spelled with lowercase, but it is mentioned in the NT too. I am not trying to prove anything, I just wanted to let you know that it is mentioned in scripture, of course I may have one of the new bibles, not sure, I have had this one for about 12 years now, not sure when it was published. Please don’t take this the wrong way, if I have offended you I’m sorry, that was not my intention.
God bless————-yours forever in Christ Jesus
Dear Sandragoforth Callechosenfaithful Bill and all. Looking at the recent comments, I must be missing something. Isn’t the son of perdition simply the abomination that causes desolation?? Doesn’t today’s priestclass completely fulfill these passages??
God Bless
Glenn
I reiterate this which has been spoken in the Stanley Frodstram prophecy of 1965 -
‘Fear not the days to come, but fear this only — that you shall walk in a
manner pleasing to the Lord. In this time I am ordering and setting up My
church and it shall indeed be pure, without spot or wrinkle. I will do work in My
beloved that has not been seen since the foundation of the world. I have shown
you these things that you may seek the Lord diligently with all your heart, and
that you may be a preserver of His people. Run not to this one nor to that one, for the Lord has so ordained that salvation is in Him and in Him alone. You shall not turn to this shepherd or to that one, for there shall be a great scattering upon the earth. Therefore look unto Him for He will indeed make these things clear to you. You shall not look here
nor there, for the wells that once had water shall be no more. But as you
diligently seek Him He shall increase your strength and your faith that He may be
able to prepare you for this time that is coming.’
Bro. Bill, Thank you, the number is also mentioned in Rev. 13:18 this is where it says it is the number of a man. This beast has the power to speak. Not trying to prove anything, just listening, and learning. Thank you for your input.
God bless——-yours in Christ Jesus
Bill, what is your understanding of the unnumbered multitude vs the sealed 144,000?
The term “the antichrist” is not in scripture. Nor is it spelt with a capital “A” although the new bibles have changed that, seeking to put the focus on an individual for the end times deception in the flesh. If there truley was one individual man who filled the bill it would have been spelt with a Capital “A”
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
John tells us that the antichrist spirit was already among them. And thier will be many to come with this spirit of iniquity.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Paul references this spirit as “the spirit of iniquity” who was already present and a work.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Agape
Bill
Lynn. The church of Rome wanted control. if i wanted to control people to follow me, it would be easy to write something about one in old scripture. Then claim to is of one of the prophets. A lot of false teachers wrote wrong gospels based on their own understanding to have men follow them. Like the gosple of Thomas etc.
Once the bible is engrained….and you have to be spirit filled you understand the truth from false. The Apocraphy. It has contradictions in it to what Christ tauaght. It has a lot of truth.But by discernment it was wrote later. For more control. Even Perdition is in it.
Like the catholic church teaches. Even those teachers were at least wise enought to say it is of the lesser prophets. Even they seperated it, yet hold it as gosple truth.
Its different, its not the same. I read some of it a few years back. And immediately i got this as being written of man, with how he sees , or understands it to be. But not Holy Spirit insipired. Just stick to the Bible Lynn. Those other books or gospels will only add confusion. We have all the knowledge we need in the Bible.
When you have grown in understanding etc. You will see so clearly , you will spot by Grace, any false hood not of Christ. And leave it immediately.
God put me in the word , with just a love of reading it hours daily and every day. Since May
0 2006. Its beautiful lynn, truly beautiful to see so clearly. Yet sadness to, for i know now more than ever that so many professed christians are lost.
My sadness is for them……not me.
Really dig in and just for the pure joy of reading the scriptures do so daily. Just to learn of Him. Such true beauty in true understanding. So clear, and no contradictions at all.
Understanding this is truly wonderful. And gives one such wisdom unto salvation through faith in Christ. Yall be blessed.
Sandra
Six hundred threescore and six. Solomon was also known for wisdom which turned into mans wisdom.
This number is symbolic of man doing it in the flesh. This number is actually not 666, that is a free masonic symbol. The number Six hundred threescore and six is found 2 times in the OT once in the book of numbers, and once in Kings. It is the amount of gold that Solomon received per year frmo Tyre and the merchants of tyre. It signafies man building the kingdom in his own way, such as Solomon tried to do and failed. When man does it his own way he becomes as Peter said a “brute beast”
Man walking in the flesh and not reborn of the Spirit, have the mark of the beast. They are a beast liken to their father the devil.
God Bless
Bill
Lynn
Yes this is true about Enoch, but it has nothing to do with Enoch. Moses wrote the first five books of the bible. Enoch nor any other before Moses wrote any books of the bible.
The book of enoch is new age spiritual trauma.
Bill
Greetings everyone, I would like to thank calledchosenfaithful for the response, this is my understanding as well. Everything happens on the “last day”, quick, just like Jesus said it would. I believe that we are very close to finding out who the antichrist is, and I know some will disagree, just know that nothing I say is to prove anyones belief right, or wrong. The number 666 is the number of a “man” according to scripture, and it says “man”, not “men”, singular, not plural. So, my question is, by takeing this verse, and saying that it is not a real man, are we taking away from scripture, Lord, I hope not, we are warned not to do that. I just can’t imagine God changing the way He has always done things, He is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. He sent John the Baptist in the spirit of Elijah to tell of the arrival of Jesus, King Saul had Samuel, the Ninevites had Jonah, so why wouldn’t the Lord in all His infinite wisdom send someone to prepare us, and if this part is literal, then, why is it so hard to think that the antichrist is not a real person. This is not directed at any one person, just my thoughts on the issue.
God bless—————–yours forever in Christ Jesus
Paul, religious people are anti-Christ. They exalt God with false lips but they reject and hate The Son of God, just like the pharisees. Dr Owuor’s messages are Christ-exalting hence he is not religious/anti-Christ. Watch the one that Sandra had linked on this page – Time is over, the message is all about God’s judgements and the suffering of The Messiah. That we The Church have denied him. Judge not only words but the spirit of the message. What is the prophet really saying ? Judge the person of the prophet – does he speak as one who knows Lord Almighty ? Does he have the fear of God, is he a man pleaser ? He is not all of these, according to my discernment of spirits. Yet, I will not conclude if he is truly of God but I will say that his message is same as that of Elijah or Jonah or John The Baptist. Same Holy Spirit.
Randall, It is good that you want to be baptized by water, for it is a symbol of the death, and resurrection of Christ, so that when we are immersed, the old man dies, and when we are brought out of the water, we put on the new man. No it doesn’t save anyone, only the Lord can do that, but if we are to follow in His footsteps, then it needs doing, because Jesus did it, and He was sinless. So, it was meant as a symbol that we are willing to follow Jesus where ever He leads. So, if you ever make out my way, I know someone that would be more than happy to baptize you, and if you don’t want it done in the church, he will go to a river, we have one only 6 miles from where I live, it’s not real clean, but I bet we could find a spot somewhere.
As far as Dr. Owuor goes, he is hard to understand, he is from Kenya, as far as I know. I still wont say whether he is a prophet or not, he does exhibit some amazing teachings, and the things he says come from scripture. It is really hard to tell these days, with so many interpretations, that is why I say we just need to let the spirit guide us into all holiness. It is ok to listen, but we must guard our hearts. All I know is that Jesus is my Saviour, and my King, and that I will with the help of the spirit, and the grace that is so undeserving, follow Him till the end of time, because I love HIM.
Sometimes I think that we all are reading things into the scripture that we shouldn’t, and are missing the most important teachings. We study so hard, that we forget the whole point of learning is to come to know Jesus. The King, and His kingdom should be top priority now, and nothing else should matter. Our home is not here, though we are, this is just a stopping point, until the Father says, “Son, go get my children”, then we will be taken to our true home.
God bless everyone———————-yours forever in Christ Jesus
Hello Bill,
Doesn’t the Bible mention Enoch? About being in favor of God? maybe I am wrong….I think Enoch was mentioned in the old testament… was there maybe a different Enoch? Love Lynn A
The communion Jesus was referring to when He broke the bread was the bonding together of His followers and them also following His way which was to the cross. The giving of yourSELF.
The pouring out of the wine at the last supper is what Jesus showed His followers what they mighty have to do, which is the pouring out of YOUR blood for Jesus name sake.
Serve Jesus Well
Lynn, trust in The Holy Spirit. The King James version was also a difficult read for me at the beginning but it was The Lord’s grace that helped me understand. In my opinion it is most authentic Word translation. I do not recommend the modernised translations ie NIV, ESV, the true tone of scripture is lost.
Thank you Bill – Tares are sons of perdition, seeds sown by the devil, just as Judas fell away from the calling of God and became the son of perdition (the devil). I believe also that they are the ‘false disciples, false apostles and false teachers’ and ‘foolish virgins’ whom Jesus said to them to ‘Go away, I never knew you’.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened , and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come , 6 If they shall fall away , to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh , and put him to an open shame . 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed , receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. – Hebrews 6
Sandra – the rapture will take place, the alive in Christ and the dead in Christ will be caught up into the clouds when Jesus appears on the last day, after the wrath of God have burned up the sons of perdition and after the destruction of babylon the great harlot and after the Anti-Christ is revealed.
Randall – will keep you in prayer, The Lord will open the door for you to be baptised by a spirit-filled man of God. Keep in prayer as water baptism is an important ordinance from God, and a blessing.
Water baptism is not required in the latter day Church. The baptism into the Holy Spirit of Jesus is required for salvation. All that is needed is a pure heart and to ask Jesus to fill you with His Holy Spirit.
The “man of sin” is the man or woman who is in sin. Most often false religious people who say and believe they are in sin and can not leave sin.
Jesus is the LORD God Almighty. False religious people Like Owuor talk “Lord God” and “Lord Almighty” as if Jesus was not the ONE LORD God Almighty.
Love and Wisdom be yours
Lynn
Enoch has probably 10 or more different authors, it condraticts the holy scriptures. Was put together around 700 AD. The book of Enoch is bogus.
John wrote the last inspired book which was the book of Rev in approx. 100 AD.
Here is a link to an easier version of the KJB, a small amount of the richness of the text is lost, but it is almost the same.
http://www.angelfire.com/al4/allenkc/akjv/
Agape
Bill
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
“Perdition” is 8 times in the NT meaning the fallen ones.–John 17:12 —Philippians 1:28 —
2 Thessalonians 2:3—1 Timothy 6:9—Hebrews 10:39—2 Peter 3:7—Revelation 17:8—
Revelation 17:11.
Acts 1-17 For he (Judas) was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Those who were part of the ministry # 7 like Judas was fall into #8 perdition. The sons of perdition are the fallen ones who were once part of the ministery. Those kept were those the Father gave unto Jesus, HE kept them all. They were gathered into 12 baskets by the 12 diciples 144, and none of the fragments were lost.
Matthew 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.
John 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
The 12 baskets are the 144,000, or the remnant elect that were gathered and kept.
Agape
Bill
Good Evening brothers and sisters,
I hope all are doing fine , I was wondering if any one can advice me as to a good translation of the Bible I usually read the KJB but do find it difficult at times…
I would also like to have some input about the Enoch & Seth, why are the books they wrote not in the KJB and others???
Please let me know , thankyou I know what the group of the missing books of the Bible are but would like to know more about why these books were excluded and who gave the right to exclude them?…
thankyou for any information any one can enlighten me on…for I am seeking and knocking can anyone open the door for me here?
Love you all in Jesus Christ……Love Lynn A
Bill!!!!!!!!!!
Have the leaves began to change way up there in Canda?
The assault in the spiritual realm is growing . This spirit moves quickly.
But all in Christ shall endure through all trials, persecutions etc.
Bill, did you notice how fearful and quick those tied into money and trusting in wealth
panicked when Europe gave notice of No improvements in Greece and now Spain and portugal are too on the brink of collapse.
Stocks plunged.
Bill, and the rest……..sleep peacefully this evening. No worries or fear for those in Christ.
Our foundation is in Christ alone.
Bill these countries made two massive, massive , utterly dangerous, and wicked mistakes.
They turned their backs on God. They have no plans peroid of coming back.
It only worsens. Their first mistake……….thinking about it.
All else followed suit.
Bill………we have a home. And it sure aint this world.
So Bill, this evening you just break out some ole hyms and psalms and sing unto the Lord.
Cuase one day , Praise God, one day we shall be Home.
All be blessed. Praise the Lord.
Pray , Pray for souls to come running to the only hope we have. Christ. Praise God the Father of our Lord and our savoir Jesus Christ.
Sing aloud all Lambs. Sing aloud. One day we shall be home.
Till then let us joy in the salvation, saving Gace of our Lord.
Oh yes,,,,Praise God one day we shall be home. Till then be used of God for his purpose and will.
Yes,,,,,,,,even so come Lord Jesus!!
The son of perdition is 2 times in the scriptures meaning the 2 factions of evil.They are the serpents and scorpions who are revealed when they turn completely black.The tares who come against the third part of the church, the wheat.
Judas was a son of perdition (one who fell away into perdition # 8) he was not recognized by the disciples until he had turned completely black during (Jesus said ; this is your hour of darkness) which started after the passover meal in the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus was brought before the people at midnight (the 6th hour) by Pilot.
This is the Judas cycle at the end of the age where the church turns against itself. During the little season the tares will turn completely black, and the multitudes will then be able to identify them.
The story of Cain and Able is when the church turned against itself.
Those who have the mark of the beast, will be the sons of perdition and will turn completely black (blackened hearts) as Satan will fully enter into them, as he interred into Judas. The become sons of their father the devil. AKA the earth dwellers, the tribes of the earth, and the inhabitants of the earth,
Agape
Bill
Look closely at the two verses above in Zechariah. What are these wounds in your hands? Those in which i was wounded in the House of my friends.
Christ himself spoke of this……to his disciples. When he said ye shall all be offened in me this night……For it is written strike the Shepard and the sheep shall scatter.
He also told others that John was that prophet Elijiah, come to perpare the way of the Lord.
Indeed we are the body of Christ……..and shall fill up the sufferings of his Body.
All who live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
But know too……this Great tribulation that hits a peak was prophesied.
So we must be very careful not to add to nor take from the Book of revelation.
Paul too made clear of a coming of man , a son of perditon. That this man and the great falling away must occur before Christ can return.
In Revelation the Beast, False prophet etc……..are defeated…..by Christ ….at his coming.
Just let us be wise in what we teach……..lest we be made liars.
As you have seen him Go , shall he return. Like the lightening flashes. So Christ
was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
He comes in the clouds, quick as lightening. Quick.
Now Judas was called the son of perditon. Was he just a spirit?
Paul calls the son of perditon……..a man.
Christ came to bear the sins of many…………he was not just a spirit.
In fact those who claim he came not in the flesh……….are of the spirit of anti- christ.
Bible gives us understanding of the ten horns……..Ten kings who have recieved no Kingdom as yet………(that means it hadnt happened yet in Johns day .) But recieve power as kings for one hour… with the Beast. That was the understanding the angel gave John in rev 17 to describe this Woman, and also the ten kings.
It happened physically in Daniles day………how come all of a sudden everything is just spiritual and not acted out in the physcial . Sounds like more false teachings aer arising.
So let us be very careful not to be “too wise” in our own understanding, and them Claim it as Gods truth. No attacking………but i am heavily warning.
The Son of perditons comes and Jesus destroys him.
Other than that……..i until wisdom be given from above, will just leave it alone.
By the way i am an avid reader of Revelations, but we must be wise in what we teach or say concerning these events.
Be blessed lambs of the almighty. Karen we love you!!!! Sandra and Pete And esther from the land down under. And Bill and all others.
I can not understand what owuro is saying. His accent is too different.
If he is saying that the furnanace of fire is our trials and chastisments for which we suffer, to be refined, a holy people. He is correct. But i coulnt really hear him that well.
Be blessed peples. Let us humble ourselves. Our Lord is going to use us for his purpose and will. And yes may we partake in Holy Communion. And as the bible says……..
and as the Eunach did. We too ought be baptized in water. Not that it saves us. but that it was a required thing done by early church etc. If not…….why did they do it.
So Pete or Paul are you all ready to baptize any who have not yet been.
I was not really called for that……….but i will for any who wants to.
And its not being legalistic. If so ……….why did the early church do this.
I myself would like to be Baptized in water as it was done so by the early church.
Any volunteers? I would prefer it be done by one who truly loves the Lord.
I know i am saved without any doubt. I just have a strong urge to do this.
So pray about it. But like in Acts, i had the great gift of the baptism of the Holy spirit before i have had water baptism. Remember they said can not these be baptised who have recieved the Holy Spirit. This too must have been very , very important.
I want to be baptized in water. Yall pray for someone to baptize me.
Be blessed. The early church took this very serious. Pray for me to have this done as well.
@calledchosenfaithful, I agree, that the “man of sin”, “the son of perdition” must be revealed prior to the return. Whether we should earnestly look for him, or not, I don’t know. I believe we who are in Christ will know when he is revealed, without much searching.
The Lord will refine us, just as silver, and gold. I like the example you gave of the wheat, and tares. There will be two in the field, one will be taken, and the other left, is this the rapture, or is it just the removal of the tares?
God bless———————yours forever in Christ Jesus
This is my interpretation:
There is no period of ‘The Great Tribulation’. But all saints will go through great tribulation ie great trials of suffering.
Jesus said in Luke 21, ‘Before (keyword) all these…”
We know the apostles were killed just as He said in verse 12-16. We have seen and heard of the martyrdom of the historical church – church of Smyrna as given in book of Rev. Jesus said some will be persecuted unto death – not all are called to be martyrs.
And we have seen the wars ie WWI & II (Luke 21: 9 & 10) and this came after the persecution period.
And we have seen a little of Luke 21:11 which leads me to think that this is the period that we are in right now.
The remnant that are alive in the days of God pouring out His vials of judgment upon the earth = the parable of the wheat (remnant) and tares (beast-worshipers) in the harvest. The tares are first burned up and cast away before the wheat is taken away into the barn of The Lord – The remnant that are alive in the coming days of tribulation must endure through it all before Christ will come. Pete, I think we are on the same page.
Could Rev 7:14-17 be speaking about us remnant of this end-time, as we are overcoming by the blood of The Lamb, The Word of our testimony and also do not love not our earthly lives unto death, we are following the Lamb wherever He leads us. The Kingdom of God is within. The remnant is seated in heavenly places although they are yet going through tribulation in the flesh on earth.
We should be examining our lives whether they be as spoken of in Luke 17:27,28 or even as the rich man (16:25) vs Lazarus (picture of the remnant), for we know that the remnant will go through (great) tribulation because God will be refining her for Christ’s return. He will bring the remnant through the fire and test them like gold (Zechariah 13).
‘The day of Christ shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.’ We should be looking for signs of the anti-Christ being revealed to know how soon it is to the coming of The Lord.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way, and then shall that wicked be revealed whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming. I do not believe this verse is implying that The Holy Spirit will be taken away from the remnant.
1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. – this may be speaking of the remnant that are alive in the tribulation days of God’s wrath and anti-Christ rule.
Zechariah 13:
7″Awake, O sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is close to me!”
declares the Lord Almighty.
“Strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered,
and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
8″In the whole land,” declares the Lord,
“two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.
9This third I will bring into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”
I am gleaning much from this message of Dr Owuor – two levels of purification.
I reiterate this that was given in the Stanley Fordstram prophecy 1965 -
The Lord desires truth in the inward parts – we must have changed from each trial and suffering that we go through. It is no use to have bounced back unchanged or we will be going around the same mountain. We must be a people that is quick to learn from past mistakes and dare not to tread where our feet have been scorched by the fiery path. We must be quick to submit, quick to listen, quick to obey, quick to surrender, quick to learn. Slow learners will suffer needlessly. Be quick to humble ourselves before God Almighty who is the one who tests our faith and tries our hearts in afflictions. Remember Job who did not blaspheme but kept his trust in God and good conscience before The Faithful One.
Truth must be in the inward man, we must have learnt from yesterday’s errors. These are to change us for good. We must embrace the precious lessons gained from our sufferings and be changed by them inwardly.
Dear Callchosenfaithful,
I wholeheartedly agree that we are called to partake at the Lord’s Table. I just want to warn folks not to venture back “Judea” to our Babylonian church systems to partake. God calls us to real communion, not the contrived communion service that we grew up with at the hands of the beast in the presence of the abomination!
http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/real-communion-services/
I’m not trying to speak in code here. I think the abomination is already standing in the Holy Place, standing where he should not stand, spoiling the daily sacrifice. Today’s CHURCH GOING Christ followers efforts to offer his life as a living Holy Sacrifice is made impure by their priest-class idol, these clergy that rule over the laity. These are the doctrines of the Nicholaitans. .
I believe that if we attend any true believer gathering, we are having communion with God:
http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/believer-gathering-essentials/
God Bless
Glenn