DISCUSSION
This is discussion board. It is a place to post comments, questions or prayer requests not specific to a particular post. The growing number of readers and commentators on this blog are likely to respond and we will edify and learn from each other and share our testimonies. All comments and replies are now automatically posted without any moderation. Let’s edify one another. Don’t be shy!!! We are here to serve one another in love, washing feet, pulling specks out of eyes and providing comfort and encouragement in these turbulent times.
All earlier comments can be accessed via the links below.
Archive 2: 8/7/11 – 9/22/11
Archive 1: May 2011 – 8/6/11
2,072 Comments
leave one →
Woa. over one half of that was cutt off.
Shut them false preachers off. The rest i will write later.
We have a war coming, a GREAT TRIBULATION unlike any ever seen.
Christ warned us in those days shall be………………shall be tribulation such as has not been ever since the earth was or shall be. And except it be shortened all should perish. But for the elects sake he will cut it short. That means its coming, and we go through it.
Its had high points ……………but at the end, nigh his COMING, shall be a great tribulation such as never has been. And it will be cut short………….BY HIS COMING. Sing .
This false newe age maitrya has CHANGED the true meaning of like a thief into something it never was. This is why i tell ya……………….STOP chaning things.
the new age concept is of the spirit of anti christ…………..and i am tellling you all its all over.
Even in the mind of some who think it be NOT there.
But it is there. For i see some of waht they taught…………….and i see some of what others have taught. And my , how they appear so close. I suggest we dont add to nor take from revelations.
Why…………….read what the angel said would happen. And then believe it.
Be blessed.
See go back to what has been written.
At the tree, Eve took of the fruit…………..for it to was pleasant to the eyes.
And Satan had told her……………..ye shall not surely die …………….on that day ye shall be like god , knwoing good and evil. Well how does Satan operate. This does not change.
HE brings part of what is known yet it is false for its twisted in false understanding .
For even GOD said , now man has become as one of us, to know good and evil …….
What you say…………….yes .
Satan is the tempter to try and cause us to DISOBEY GOD. He told them you will be like Gods……..knwoing good and evil. But man forgot the part………..thou shall not eat.
When he took Christ up to the top , he said cast thy self down………..IT IS WRITTEN. and it was written ……………BUT CHRIST SAID it too is written thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God.
Look at christain snake charmers today, faith holders etc. They say it is written nothing shall harm them……..but forget………..thou shall not tempt the Lord they GOd.
The prosperity preacher preaches GOd wants us rich……………but have forgotton Christ said lay up treasrures above…….NOT HERE on earth…………for where your treasrue is there be your heart.
Christ said if a man divorce his wife and marry another, save for fornication, or death.
HE marrys another is an ADULTERER………yet many make excuse……….well GOD wants me happy, GOd said it is not good for the man to be alone. YET HE SAID THOU shall not commit adultery. JEsus said ……………dont swear at all…………….AT ALL, yet many put ther hands on the bible and swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help them GOd.
BUT jesus said let your yea be yea………
We live a false life who do not obey Christ and what he taught and instead choose to listen to their own hearts desire. Tis why so many False teachings all over out there. Reject truth…………the understanding is darkend.
Now we NEED to live by every word of GOD. WE have been institutionalized to believe half truths……..given to feed the carnal diesre of man.
Go back to just the bible and shut them TV, TBN
Jacob have i loved but Esau have i hated. Its in chronicles.
God knowing who would be called and who would reject. This implies very strongly that it is not of man, but of God by Grace. God has always known who would be his ………..and who would reject.
Paul knew that. So then it is not of man who wills,,,,,,,,but God who calls…………the elect.
Its not that God desires any to perish. Its just many will who reject Christ.
It also says it is better to have never known him………..than to have known him and fallen away.
there is a stronger damnation, a more severe punishment on the ones who knew and were not content and went a whoring back after the world.
The dog has returned to his own vomit………..the pig that was washed clean back to the wallowing in the mire. We would be amazed at how many have been called yet have rejected him. The enemy would have us to be ignorant of this and to believe many will be saved, or to put other thoughts in our heads. We from day one of every single person born………..we do not know their entire history. God reaches out ………………but many reject. Tis the way it is. The enemy plants lies into the caranl thought process of man. Well what if , or what if. NO. question not .
Simply live by every word of God. God called me………and i KNOW how bad i was. SO i know too…………he simply desires none to perish. But i KNOW many will reject. They do and keep rejecting. Man is evil from his YOUTH up. NOW get this engrained. DEEP, DEEP ,
We cannot entertain the human mind any longer. Just read what has been written and like a lil child BELIEVE EVERY WORD. STAY FAR FROM THOUGHT REALM. FAR.
If you want to know something go to BIBLE REALM. ANd PRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCRIPS. CHRIST opened ther eyes to the UNDESTANDING of the scrips.
I wont be here to always warn. When my time is up. IT is up.
BUT i wanted to have helped as many as i could before i GO home.
We do not know whom the ones who will come are. BUT GOD DOES.
And many will reject. But we dont know who will or wont. So we preach to all.
The enemy wont stop lieing till he be cast out of this earth . So too the flesh wont stop be contrary to the spirit. It aint gonna happen till we draw our last breath………or till HE COME and we be changed , new bodies free of evil. DIG deep. to the new agers all is becoming allegorical. And we have to understand what GOd has spoken he means what he has said.
Look at the tree. God told man on that day you shall surely die. But satan said your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods knowing good and evil. Well………God meant what he said.
And thus in adam all die. BUt in CHRist shall all be made alive. The first adam……….transgression , seperation from God. But in the last adam, CHRIST, the only intercesscor between GOD and man. was a life fullfilled to the obedaince of every word of God.
And was all our punishements inflicted upon. Live by every word of God……….and not by mans word nor wisdom. Be blessed.
Greetings Lambs, and May the Lord Bless each one of you:
Barb, Randall——I love you guys, and am proud that my name implies to Go Forth, for that is what we should do daily. The name is French, but back during the Indian wars, this name was given to my husbands Great, Great, Grandfather when he was captured by the military, and placed on a reservation in South Dakota, he was of the Blackfoot tribe. Just a little history on where the name came from. Randall, you are probably correct on the month, because I started watching Pete’s videos back in October of 2010, and started posting on the site shortly after that, can’t remember the exact date. Anyway, just thought I would let you guys know that your post brought peace to my heart, as well as a little chuckle. Know that all here are loved, and all are in my prayers daily.
God Bless, With Love in Jesus Christ
Amazing Bill, Praise God for the gift and thank you brother. “All Israel” & the Wheat, as in John 17:12 ” While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy Name:those that thou gavest me, have I kept,and none of them is lost,but the child of perdition,[tares] that the Scripture might be fulfilled.” It’s amazing you are given to see predestination as the Lord looking back. Tough on the temporal mind. Interestingly enough, I’ve come to perceive your view of history not so much as one simply looking back, but more of one back looking forward. Everyday it’s something new with this God of ours. Amazing.I’m beginning to wrap my head around this glory thing. Love and prayers to you all. M
Good morning to you Barb and all the rest here as well
The perfection of the saints
The Holy Ghost has given me a big break through in the understanding of perfection of the saints this morning. I had an understanding of some of this principle but not all of it…. I’ve been waiting for this understanding to come in fullness for quite some time now. Praise God who rewards patience, and not force.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Yes this work was most definitely finished and confirmed on the cross, but our walk is not yet finished.
Predestination (God new the beginning from the end)…..Free will (we do not)…The predestination teachers cant get this, and the OSAS teachers cant get this. Because they both camps only teach half of the gospel. They have not the full weight of scripture. ‘aka’ (the full council of God)….
“side note”
The predestinationists like John Knox, John Calvin, and Martin Luther didn’t get it, they ridiculed Tyndale…Why? answer… because Tyndale and Esrasmus new it was both predestination and free will….This is why Tyndale had no desire to start up any kind of a religion, unlike Knox,Luther, and Calvin did….. Tyndale was way ahead of these men in understanding. Tyndale, despite what Protestants believe, he was not a Reformationist. His desire was only to bring the written word of God to the common man, and then have the Holy Ghost reveal the scriptures to them. Luther, Knox, and Calvin were proud, but Tyndale was humble.
Back to the study of Romans 11-26
The Deliverer is Jesus Christ our redeemer, and the author and finisher unto our salvation We become Israel when He has done a finished work in us. (the mature Christian believer who walks by faith and not sight which has become perfect in HIS image).This is done by way of the omnipresent power of the Holy Ghost that was poured out at Pentecost. Christ is now able to come into the the repented heart which is poor in Spirit and humbled before God.Now being sealed by the Holy spirit of promise, Christ then can work and grow within the believer as HE perfects him and forms the clay into HIS image, done by turning away ungodliness (sin) from Jacob. (its all the DI LIVERS work, and none of ours) Then the full mature believer who is perfected and has overcomes sin in his live through the power of Christ becomes Israel. We do this by way of wrestling with a man all night, just as Jacob did. (we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with the powers of darkness) until Christ is perfected in us…. “Be ye perfect as my Father in heaven is perfect”.
Now the matured believer “Israel” must finish the race, endure, and overcome to the end, to receive a crown of glory; lest he fall away into the pride of unbelief. Of which it is imposable for him to be redeemed again unto repentance.. once he has tasted of the 5 things in Hebrews:6-4,5,6.
Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Those of Israel are not “All” Israel (the remnant).. “All Israel” gets saved (the wheat), “of Israel” does not get saved (the tares)
The sand of the sea is “of Israel”…the remnant that shall be saved is “all Israel”….Just as Paul says the promise that “all Israel” shall be saved as it was written to be in the old testament prophets.
On a collective layer of the church or finishing up of the body of Christ, Israel will be blind in part. It is of full sight when the fullness of the Gentiles become into the ARK. Then Israel will be perfect and have full sight. This will happen on the LAST DAY when the last Gentile believer is gathered in. The the body of Christ will then have been made full # 12. We are not to be ignorant of the mystery of the kingdom, but if we become wise in our own conceits (pride) and fall away we will never see it.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Be blessed
Bill
.
Be blessed all……………..
I remember , i think it was in june of last year…….
when i saw Sandras name.
I said Sandra Goforth in the LORD. We love you Sandra!!!!
And all others as well. Let us focus on the Lord. And do more for others today.
May all be blessed. And the peace of the Lord be in all our hearts.
Good morning to all of you, and where have you been Mark D? There is an old saying that “as times get tough, the tough get going” and I encourage you to face the challenges of the day knowing full well that the Lord has invested His victory within you and “no weapon formed against you will prosper.” Bigger devils bring bigger battles but we must take comfort in the fact that we are well prepared for them and in the dealing with them we radiate God’s presense and Glory. Go forth (as Sandra’s name implies) and slay that dragon and enjoy the spoils of your warfare.
God bless you all,
Barb
“John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true”
(John 10:41).
You may be very discontented with yourself. You are no genius, have no brilliant gifts, and are inconspicuous for any special faculty. Mediocrity is the law of your existence. Your days are remarkable for nothing but sameness and insipidity. Yet you may live a great life.
John did no miracle, but Jesus said that among those born of women there had not appeared a greater than he.
John’s main business was to bear witness to the Light, and this may be yours and mine. John was content to be only a voice, if men would think of Christ.
Be willing to be only a voice, heard but not seen; a mirror whose surface is lost to view, because it reflects the dazzling glory of the sun; a breeze that springs up just before daylight, and says, “The dawn! the dawn!” and then dies away.
Do the commonest and smallest things as beneath His eye. If you must live with uncongenial people, set to their conquest by love. If you have made a great mistake in your life, do not let it becloud all of it; but, locking the secret in your breast, compel it to yield strength and sweetness.
We are doing more good than we know, sowing seeds, starting streamlets, giving men true thoughts of Christ, to which they will refer one day as the first things that started them thinking of Him; and, of my part, I shall be satisfied if no great mausoleum is raised over my grave, but that simple souls shall gather there when I am gone, and say,
“He was a good man; he wrought no miracles, but he spake words about Christ, which led me to know Him for myself.” –George Matheson
“THY HIDDEN ONES”
(Psa. 83:3)
“Thick green leaves from the soft brown earth,
Happy springtime hath called them forth;
First faint promise of summer bloom
Breathes from the fragrant, sweet perfume,
Under the leaves.
“Lift them! what marvelous beauty lies
Hidden beneath, from our thoughtless eyes!
Mayflowers, rosy or purest white,
Lift their cups to the sudden light,
Under the leaves.
“Are there no lives whose holy deeds–
Seen by no eye save His who reads
Motive and action–in silence grow
Into rare beauty, and bud and blow
Under the leaves?
“Fair white flowers of faith and trust,
Springing from spirits bruised and crushed;
Blossoms of love, rose-tinted and bright,
Touched and painted with Heaven’s own light
Under the leaves.
“Full fresh clusters of duty borne,
Fairest of all in that shadow grown;
Wondrous the fragrance that sweet and rare
Comes from the flower-cups hidden there
Under the leaves.
“Though unseen by our vision dim,
Bud and blossom are known to Him;
Wait we content for His heavenly ray–
Wait till our Master Himself one day
Lifteth the leaves.”
“God calls many of His most valued workers from the unknown multitude” (Luke 14:23).
O Lord of Hosts, how long will you have no mercy on Jerusalem? . . . And the Lord answered gracious and comforting words to the angel.
Zechariah 1:13-14
What a sweet answer to an anxious inquiry! This night let us rejoice in it. O Zion, there are good things in store for you; your time of travail will soon be over; your children shall come forth; your captivity shall end. Bear patiently the rod for a season, and under the darkness still trust in God, for His love burns toward you.
God loves the church with a love too deep for human imagination: He loves her with all His infinite heart. Therefore let her sons be of good courage; she cannot be far from prosperity to whom God speaks “gracious and comforting words.” The prophet goes on to tell us: “I am exceedingly jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion.” The Lord loves His church so much that He cannot bear that she should go astray to others; and when she has done so, He cannot endure that she should suffer too much or too heavily.
He will not have his enemies afflict her: He is displeased with them because they increase her misery. When God seems most to leave His church, His heart is warm toward her.
History shows that whenever God uses a rod to chasten His servants, He always breaks it afterwards, as if He loathed the rod that gave his children pain. “As a father shows compassion to his children, so the LORD shows compassion to those who fear him.”1
God has not forgotten us because He strikes–His blows are no evidences of absence of love. If this is true of His church collectively, it is also necessarily true of each individual member. You may fear that the Lord has passed you by, but it is not so: He who counts the stars and calls them by their names is in no danger of forgetting His own children. He knows your case as thoroughly as if you were the only creature He ever made or the only saint He ever loved. Approach Him and be at peace.
1 Psalm 103:13
God bless you Lynn A… good cheer, good cheer , yes we are to rejoice in His rest and be good stewards of what the Lord has given us, If He has blessed us for a season of happines of bountiful plenty then we are to honour Him and rest in that seaon of good cheer, and the same with the bad that falls upon us.If the Lord has blessed us with water that is truned into wine how wonderful. good cheer, good cheer to HIM.. Let us raise our glasses high in HIS glory.
As Paul said; we are to rejoice in all things, good and bad.
Praise God from which all blessings come
Bill
sister Barb, thank you for your virtues of stength and encouragment, that we go the extra mile.
be blessed in our Lord always
Bill
greetings to all brothers and sisters be blessed in our Lord Jesus Christ.
“Patience”
James Chapter 1
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord JesusChrist, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. 2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
When we fall into various temptations we are to count it all as joy. In verse 3 the apostle James explains why.. It forms patience within us. Falling into these temptations is the trying of our faith. The trying of our faith produces a very vital fruit of the Spirit known as is “patience”.
4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
The virtue of patience has her perfect work. Patience is a lack of wantoness formed in womb as we grow in HIS image. From trials and temptations we grow in the womb, as the patience of Christ is being formed in us within the matrix. (perfected in Christ)… Through patience we are loosened from the bounding chains of wantonness. Psalms 23 The Lord is my shepard, and I shall not want.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Jesus said in Matthew:21-22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. . But when ask the Father for wisdom, knowledge, temperence, we must ask the Father with unwavering faith as apostle James teaches. Lest we be tossed to and fro in every wind of doctrine. The unsatable mind shall not receive any gifts of the Spirit. Jesus confirms this in Matthew 21-21 “If ye have faith, and doubt not”. Prayers are not answered when doubt is present.
be blessed always
Bill
Thanks Randall for the updates, always valued along with your encourageing words as well.
I love you brother..,You know when God said “strong ” delusion, he did not mean delusion, he meant as he said “strong” delusion…..When he says strong, HE means strong. The delusion today is over the top and flowing out of the mouth of the dragon like the Nile river.
God bless
Bill
The new age is all over prosperity churches………..and they dont even realize it.
Turn tbn, off, they are false. They appear righteous to so many, but this is how it works.
Satan appears as a angel of light…………his ministirs can appear as ministirs of righteous ness.
Get far from them They sold out. THey sold out.
Its in christain book stores…….which are not christain at all.
TELL me, would any of yall allow new age on your book shelf, or propserity preachers etc.
NO. So why call them christain if they are NOT. A christan lives by every word of GOd.
Not what man says so they can make a buck. We are in the last days………….i am a warning whomever , whenever. Let us disregaurd all that is not of GOd. And just walk as Christ.
I love all lambs here. Let us ever focus on Christ, sound doctrine, doing more for others, and walking as CHRIST walked. Delusion sweeps the land. And strong delusion , the hour of it………….draws nigh for the worst falling away ever. The falling away from the TRUE CHRIST, and the following after the false. Dig deep. I love you all. Be blessed.
Barbs be blessed and pet the goldens for me.
carrying the cross……….is suffering. The cross, the cup of affliction, is ours to drink of for we must be partakers of his sufferins as well. Yet the bible makes clear………..when riches increase set not your heart upon them. We ought be content in all circumstances. We must learn to abound and suffer need. And JESUS told us…………..give these things NO THOUGHT. So dont.
Be obediant unto what HE said. Then the true understanding grows and deepens.
As for Saul he was relieved………….because he failed to be obediant. God desires obediance.
As in the garden man the first adam failed…………due to lack of obediance. We must get deep in sound doctrine…………Christ will give us the understadning of the scrips. We at all times whether in ease or suffering must learn to be content. Set not affections on this world, nor its things.
Give freely of your abundance. Give becuase you love. Not as the false prosperity gospel.
They only give to recieve as much again or more. This is NOT LOVE, tis lust.
Be obediant unto the Spriit, and live. Die to self, die to all wordly attachments, die to the idea of the easy life, or more money. Be dead, for we are dead and our life is hid in him.
Just remember if Jesus said it……….DO IT. And he said worry not of the morrow. He said beware covetousness for a mans life consists not in the ABUNDANCE of what he posses.
Die to this world. Pick up the cross………….and find the peace which passes all understanding.
For when we are dead to this world, and give the morrow no thought, no cares or pleasures in life…………we have larned to be content. And Godliness with contenetment i promise you all is GREAT GAIN. You will have a peace none can understand. For when they think of or worry of the morrow, or times are not as they would have them to be they naturally worry. But those of God have no worry…………..for whether we suffer afflictions, chastenings, whether times of ease. It simply matters not………..for in HIS day we are the ones who have the promise of eternal life, and in this salvation we have hope through all trials…………….for i am fully persuaded that all things truly do work together for good to those who wait for him, for those who love God. This light affliction is just a moment, and in His day………..the reward shall be for ever. Have the peace which only Christ can give. And have hope. Be blessed. And take heed unto your bodies, take all thoughts captive in Christ to his obedaince. Be blessed. Dig deep in scrips and pray feverently.
The false new age is indeed all over. And many now only trust in what they see. And place mans hopes, carnal hopes and dreams…….and have become lovers of pleasures rather than God.
It is not only on our behalf to believe in Him , but to suffer for his sake as well. Dig deep.
@Bill………………i saw where they have located a 1500 year old bible. The vatican has laid claim on it. And some believe it to contain the epistles of barnabas. They say in it………..Jesus prophesied of Muhammads coming. I see only the hint of evil, and just a case to furthur the one world religion of all roads. This is bad, and it grows quicker now. The vatican has not yet claimed it says this…………but if they do……………just know its false. And it is all about the one world religion. Even a lady told me today of the motto on a plane she flew. The one world goal, unity etc.
Its all over. And the msnbc, and others are promoting the one world relgion slowly as well.
The rich hold the money, and in this world money is power, what they want is coming to pass.
And be warned many of these rich elites are into the new age humanism huge. One said the world will be purged. And since the christians speak of the blood ………lets give them some. They claim we be gods. and God is a force. Talke about honoring a GOD of Forces. Hmmm.
They too claim the true GOd will come as a MAN. In the name of all religions, secular etc.
Gee…………..whom is this. But remember………Though they claim to be gods……………they did not make heafen nor earth…………..and nigh , at Christs coming shall be destroyed.
This new age is way furthur an goes furthur back than i ever thought. I dont typically research this nonesense. ANd i wont waste much time with it. I already knew by Grace alone, by sound doctrine etc, the HOly Spirit…………..that many have fallen out. All of it in the name of peace.
Hmmmmmmmm……..and by peace he shall destroy many. The spirit of anti christ has been long at work to prepare a world for the battle of armegeddon. But no worries…………..in a flash , at the coming of Christ the beast and false prophet shall be cast into the lake of fire, and we………..who endure faithful to the end………….shall be HOME. Warn as many as you can. Do what was written long ago, win souls, love, do more for others. Win who you can, when you can. Because i am telling you all………..TIME IS MUCH SHORTER THAN MANY REALIZE………and the darkest hour comes……………..but then…………………the day springs from on HIGH. HIS DAY.
Be blessed. Dig deep. And no mattter what you think on this ……………never take any physcial mark on Gods temple. Its all about what the few who hold power want. And they be in spiritual darkness. Just , even if its on the foot dont take it. We dont tattoo, etc Gods temple. Just rmember this. I dont care if your babys sisters mother says its just medical etc……..DONT DO IT.
I dont want to hang on this too long………cuase i aint here to aruge the mark etc. But just know Christ would not have taken a medical chip , nor paul , nor scores of others etc. Gods temple. We have been bought at a price. And our body is NOT OUR OWN. I love you all. Be blessed.
Hello Everyone,
Thank-you Pete for the inspiring letter from Esther….I know many who feel wearing the metal where our sins were covered with blood shows some kind safe guard against evil….I do not feel the same way I strongly believe one has to have a on going faith and believe in the blood of Jesus and who He is…and that is with in each of us living the life that is suppose to be 24/7….whether in trials or tribulations for they will be there 24/7 if it is not effecting us personally or not…during our own personal trials He is there and we are too, but the thing is He is still there during our relaxed times too and the question is I ask all “ARE WE THERE ALSO?”…because we should be!!!…sometimes there are moments that we slip from those times we need to hear that whisper of the Holy Spirit and put our armor back on and never take it off…for remember the evil one never ever takes a moment off……we are to develop a intimate personal relationship with the Great Spirit whether in good or bad times in other words ALWAYS!!!!!, not just when we think we need Him in trouble!…..That is the meaning of wearing the Cross in my opinion! Thank-you Esther and Pete………………………………Love In Christ Lynn
“Take Up Your Cross…”
. . Take up his cross daily and follow me.
Luke 9:23
You do not make your own cross, although unbelief is a master carpenter at cross-making; neither are you permitted to choose your own cross, although self-will wants to be lord and master. But your cross is prepared and appointed for you by divine love, and you must cheerfully accept it; you are to take up the cross as your chosen badge and burden, and not to stand complaining.
This night Jesus bids you submit your shoulder to His easy yoke. Do not kick at it in petulance, or trample on it in pride, or fall under it in despair, or run away from it in fear, but take it up like a true follower of Jesus.
Jesus was a cross-bearer; He leads the way in the path of sorrow. Surely you could not desire a better guide! And if He carried a cross, what nobler burden would you desire? The Via Crucis is the way of safety; fear not to tread its thorny paths. Beloved, the cross is not made of feathers or lined with velvet; it is heavy and galling to disobedient shoulders; but it is not an iron cross, though your fears have painted it with iron colors; it is a wooden cross, and a man can carry it, for the Man of Sorrows tried the load.
Take up your cross, and by the power of the Spirit of God you will soon be so in love with it that like Moses you would not exchange the reproach of Christ for all the treasures of Egypt. Remember that Jesus carried it; remember that it will soon be followed by the crown, and the thought of the coming weight of glory will greatly lighten the present heaviness of trouble.
May the Lord help you bow your spirit in submission to the divine will before you fall asleep tonight, so that waking with tomorrow’s sun, you may go forth to the day’s cross with the holy and submissive spirit that is fitting for a follower of the Crucified.
Pete;..Thank you for posting this message from Esther, this is 100% true, and religion has convienced christians that buying a metel cross to where around their neck is carrying the cross.
the Lord will carefully guide us as we carry our cross to the end in this walk through the valley of fire.
Psalms Chapter 23
1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
Here in verse 1 is might possibly be the simplest expression of the gospel, written in one verse in the OT.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
It is the Lord who makes his sheep the believers lie down in the green pastures of spiritual life and nourishment, there is no nourishment in a dry pasture.. Its all HIS grace. Amen, He leadeth me beside the still waters. The consolations of the Holy Spirit are the still waters by which the saints are led.. Lead me not into temptation but deliver me from evil. when HE delivers us from evil HE sits us down in green pastures beside still waters of comfort. Expressed by Paul in (2 : Thes 2) “be not shaken in mind, or troubled” This is during the time of Jacob’s trouble, meaning now in this lifetime… This is the stream which goes forth and flows from the fountain of living waters.The Lord brings still and contentment in the mind, whatever the burden may be.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
The restoring of the soul is done by His grace as he is the author and finisher of our salvation. These are led by the still waters of comfort, who walk in the paths of righteousness for HIS sake,,.This does not happen after we are dead, its already a done deal by then. HE guides the believer in the path of righteousness during his one time and walk of faith for which he was chosen by God will to be in this world. Its not a walk of faith after this world. This is verified quite extensively in John 17.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Once again we see the “walk” their is no walk of tribulation after this life. Evil cannot tempt anyone after this life, the Comfort of the Holy Ghost is to comfort us during these difficult times of our walk. Satan cannot tempt or bring fear to those who have passed on from this life. Niether he nor his wicked demons are able to destroy our comforts, while we are anointed with the Holy Spirit, It is a valley and it is a type or shadow of death that we pass through since the time of the garden of Eden. But the blessed assurance is that the Lord has obtained victory over death in the Ressurection. while they are anointed with the Holy Spirit, and drink of the cup of salvation which is ever full. Past experience teaches believers to trust that the goodness and mercy of God will follow them all the days of their lives It is a walk through it: they shall not be lost sheep in this valley, while being led safely by the Spirit of promise to the mountain of Sion.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth
over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
The table that the Lord prepares is in the presence of our enemies, there are no enemies after this life, they are all cast into the lake of fire. while we as believers are anointed with the Holy Spirit, and drink of the cup of salvation in which the cup runeth over with the goodness and mercy of God that follows their walk in this valley all of the “days” of their life. “ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE” taken in proper context within this Psalm expresses our Christian walk on this earth in this creation (# 6 verses)…For there are no more “days” after this life in the # 6 days of this creation…..As we shall then dwell in the house of the Lord forever. (eternity) There are no days in eternity. Its just eternty.
God Bless
Bill
.
,
Dear Mark,
I never doubted for one split second that we aren’t headed in the same direction. If this were not so, you wouldn’t be seeing me on this blog. Please don’t read me wrong. My husband and I left being church people for all the right reasons over 30 years ago. We recognized the hypocrisy, the false legalism, false gospel of universal salvation – all of it even during the 70s when that nasty prosperity gospel was so evident. I even had it out with one of our former pastors once in order for me to clarify what I thought I was hearing. Do not get me wrong – my heart has been in turmoil with the delusion and deception abounding right now, especially now that it has brought separation from some of my own loved ones. That I was born into a Catholic and church going family is God’s business. It certainly didn’t hurt me; in a way, I was a David in a wilderness, like so very many of you are now.
But I’m out of that wilderness now and I see the Kingdom of God on the threshold. Do I think He’s going to be physically setting Himself up as King here right now? No, I don’t. It’s possible that these birth pains we see are merely beginning. I don’t think that’s going to happen yet. I see Him rising up in His temple though – in us – and I see His Body coming together, which consist of you and me Mark. I see a huge harvest ahead…
I don’t claim to be correct in all of my musings. I’m just old now and have seen, heard, and searched for long periods of time just as you all are now. I keep bumping into that wall of self-righteous judgemental behavior in myself though, and God so very graciously reminds me that our battle is not against people, but principalities in high places. I hate giving them (those devils) reason to scoff at our behavior. Let’s try not to give him more attention than is his due – and I don’t think he’s due anything do you?
I wanted to share with you Esther’s last post.
NO CROSS NO POWER
by Esther
You cannot ‘apply the cross’ to yourself with your mind or understanding. You must carry it, spiritually. Suffering is the cup that christians are predestined to drink. Believing in Jesus is believing in drinking the cup of suffering so that God can have His will done in us.
The reason why christians fail is because they do not carry the cross, or that they are parttime carriers of the cross. When in adversity, they carry the cross, but when the pressure is off, they put the cross down and take a break. During the breaks that they take and think it’s fine they are covered under the blood, then suddenly the devourer comes and attacks them unaware and they are unable to overcome him. Why? When one does not carry the cross, he is spiritually unguarded and unsober, missing the whole purpose of Christ’s promises in them. So satan sees the one taking a break from his cross to devour him. The cross Jesus gave us to carry is for our spiritual protection. Of great power in that when we take it up we are putting on Jesus Christ and cannot be overcomed. No cross no power. Jesus knows if you are carrying the cross or not. You cannot claim the blood over you without carrying the cross. To deny suffering is to deny Jesus. One who carries the cross has resigned to self-preservation, he is as a sheep that opened not his mouth and is led to the slaughter and he trusts God to deliver him only and will not resist evil. Just like Jesus, we must also walk.
The Cross is power to all who carry it willingly. “Looking unto Jesus, for the joy that was set before Him, endured the cross, despising the shame and is seated at the right Hand of the throne of God.”
The LORD is showing me that many people who are weighed down by worldly and earthly cares (which He never burdened them about) will put down their crosses in order to bear the burden of those worldly and earthly cares. Foolish christians. They will learn that there is no other way, things will get much worse for them who seek to preserve their earthly lives. It is through surrender and total abandonment in absolute faith in Jesus Christ, that they will find life, now and for eternity. God has made it so, that to see His provision, one must first seek His Kingdom.
We are on a mission, not on a vacation. We are not saved until we endure to the very end. We are under trial and probation, always seeking to be approved by God in all our ways. Carry your crosses, deny your self and then you will be fit to follow Jesus and be worthy of what He wants to reveal to us, in these end times.
I hear ya sister. David is a good lesson, thank you for your kindness. Please consider my perspective if you would.I see us as if we are two escapees crossing paths in the wilderness. Unsure and untrusting of each other till we both notice that familar number tattooed on each others inner wrist. This is a kinship, a bond of sorts and the fact we’re both headed in the same direction. Look at yourself, look at me. See those scars? We both know where they came from. It’s not you I despise, nor is it other Catholics, or any other religous escapee for that matter. It’s the office through which these scars came about, the office which holds all those other less fortunate captive. There’s no soft spot in my heart for the captains and the generals, but I try as best as I can to keep it directed at the office. Allow me a little skirt trimming now and then, huh? I love you Barb. In Christ, Mark
Mark and Randall – you are so correct in addressing false doctrines floating around right now. I too find it difficult to listen to some of the false teaching, knowing full well that souls are like sheep needing a shepherd, and many fall by the wayside by connecting to those who proclaim leadership. However, we must not forget a very important principle established by God and was revealed through David as he was being pursued by Saul in the wilderness. Remember Saul had been annointed by God as king – but lost that annointing by his pride and arrogance in placing himself in authority as priest. David was chosen as a small child to replace him and God prepared the situations that brought him into Saul’s household. David needed to be taught important lessons yet though…he needed to go through his own wilderness before becoming king – he needed to learn submission to God and trust God to work things out in God’s own way. Who of us can read the story of David and not be aware that even though Saul had fallen from grace, he was still in the position that God had placed him in…and only God would be dealing with him – not David. In comparison, the church – and those annointed to be pastors, evangelists and teachers have also been placed there. Though many of them have fallen from grace – we are not to deal with them in such a way as to appeal to bitterness, hatred, and anger. They will be removed by God, and are already being removed many of them – this is God’s battle not ours.
The only doctrine that needs to be preached is the simple one of salvation. When God is able to connect with a soul in that way – it is He who will lead that person into all truth. Angry words against God’s annointed only inflame the flesh.
….”Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm”…. Psalms 105:15 NASB
….”David’s men said to him, Behold the day of which the Lord said to you, behold, I will deliver your enemy into your hands and you shall do to him as seems good to you. Then David arose [in the darkness] and stealthily cut off the skirt of Saul’s robe. Afterward, David’s heart smote him because he had cut off Saul’s skirt. He said to his men, the Lord forbid that I should do this to my master, the Lord’s anointed, to put my hand out against him, when he is the anointed of the Lord. So David checked his men with these words and did not let them rise against Saul. But Saul rose up and left the cave and went on his way. David also arose afterward and went out of the cave and called after Saul, saying, My lord the king! And when Saul looked behind him, David bowed with his face to the earth and did obeisance. And David said to Saul, Why do you listen to the words of men who say, David seeks to do you harm? Behold, your eyes have seen how the Lord gave you today into my hands in the cave. Some told me to kill you, but I spared you; I said, I will not put forth my hand against my lord, for he is the Lord’s anointed. See, my father, see the skirt of your robe in my hand! Since I cut off the skirt of your robe and did not kill you, you know and see that there is no evil or treason in my hands. I have not sinned against you, yet you hunt my life to take it. May the Lord judge between me and you, and may the Lord avenge me upon you, but my hand shall not be upon you”…. 1 Samuel 24:4-12 The Amplified Translation
….”They rose early in the morning and went out to the wilderness of Tekoa; and when they went out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, “Listen to me, O Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem, put your trust in the LORD your God and you will be established. Put your trust in His prophets and succeed”…. 2 Chronicles 20:20 NASB
Be at peace barbara, and know you are loved. But let them warn.
Paul spoke out against false doctrine and false teachers. Let them warn the group.
James spoke out, as did John and scores of others.
But if we speak out……….know this……..WE HAD BETTER BE LIVING IT OURSELVES.
And we should encourage one another daily, as well as to warn etc.
And provoke one another unto good works.
This whole emunical movment, etc…………….now stems straight from Rome.
And as all who reject truth………………..any are subject to its lie. Yall i am telling all of us
this darkness , which has been at work for years……………..is nigh ready for utter destruction agaisnt those of the truth. Now it is small…………..just complaints etc.
But it continues to grow and gain momentum all over the world. ALL over it.
And Rome wants control……………..so it sold out from the TRUE CHRIST.as have many others.
And David spoke the psalm 23 while living…………..its TODAYS WALK.
Dante and scores of others have done mass damage. Truth. The dead , those who are fallen asleep in Christ…………..need not our prayers………………..they overcame in HIM.
And if any rejected him……………..tis too late to pray for them. We cant pray the dead saved.
All had the choice of accepting him……….or rejecting him. The souls we must pray for and win…………are those still here amongst us. Lets focus on them.
I love you all. Let us have good works out of love filled hearts for others.
Love is of God………….and all who are of God…………..love one another.
Lets help out others.
I believe emotions are the shrinks perverted explaination for fruits of the spirit and deads of the flesh. I believe that the Truth shared in love doesn’t always look like what the world thinks love is, nor does it always produce a lovie dovie, can’t we all just get along, can’t we just agree to disagree result. If a person shares out of love the blood’s not required of them. Any other motive, it’s sin. In Mark 16:15 We are commanded/told to ‘go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.’ He may not need us to speak for Him, but this makes it pretty clear we do have something to do. It’s just that I see so many warnings and admonitions to the false prophets in the Word. These guys are saying this is the way, and it’s not.I get angry about the lying, the taking advantage of people. From the mechanics and unknowing women to unscruplous contractors, it just chaps my butt to see trusting, ignorant people used. And that’s just the physical realm. Now consider what’s at stake with a soul.I agree we should discern opportunities to share one on one, but lying to the masses incures greater condemnation and somehow a bolder approach. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me, but I have a real distain for the broad cast nets of desruction and those casting them out.
Bro. Bill, God bless, and thank you for the confirmation.
May all have a blessed night, and be at peace:
God bless, With Love in Jesus Christ
Well Mark, I think we should reveal truth, that is if what we consider to be truth is really truth. The truth of the gospel is pretty simple – you need to be redeemed – Christ paid the price for that – requirement is repentance and turning your life over to Christ whereby He begins the process of sanctifying you and transforming you so that He can live His life in you. When one takes it upon oneself to start interpreting the written word after that fact then I think one better be pretty confident that this is something God has called one to do.
The best way to represent Christ is to live the life. Christ doesn’t need us to speak for Him – in fact I think more damage is done by speaking for Him than not. Christ is His own magnet. He draws souls to Himself through changed lives. Love is the power He uses and we must use. As for false doctrine – if the door opens up in a conversation to share what you have learned then go for it. But I really don’t think much is gained when fleshly emotionalism takes over do you?
I’m sorry Barb, I’m not sure I understand where you’re coming from. What’s the difference in bashing people and churches and bashing sin and false doctrine? Is one O.K. and one not? Where’s the place for revealing lies and speaking the Truth in all this?
I have never, ever been to a funeral or memorial where the dead went to hell, never. Only a remnant is saved. Something is terribly wrong with the message being preached. They lie. I think it prudent to examine the “common demoniator” preachings. Comfort? People should feel crappy at the loss of a soul to hell. Love in Christ Jesus
Bill, why shouldn’t Psalm 23 be used at funerals? Do ya think it could be because it refers to walking through the valley of death? You say this merely means spiritual death – but I have a different opinion – or perhaps another layer of truth to this Psalm. I don’t agree with you guys about that. The Psalm declares that the “Lord is my Shepherd” – who are we to decide who’s who in this respect. We are also told that “On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you.: Matthew 7:22 It’s not our concern who these people may be other than praying for lost souls at this time.
Apostasy abounds right now, and has been abounding for a couple hundred years perhaps. But it doesn’t help to bash the church or bash people. In fact I think we sin when we do that. Regardless of popular thought here, the church was instituted by Christ and He has had a remnant of true believers, in churchs, since the beginning. I’m sorry that your experience has left such bitterness, but when you consider that so much of God’s Word is taken out of context right now; why pick on this Psalm?. We are told in the word that worldly, carnal people do not understand God’s Word. Let the dead bury their dead Christ said. But there are many true believers taking comfort in that Psalm at time of death and I believe that’s as it should be.
People expect the insurance salemen to be liars, they know politicians are liars, i quess slowley some are now finding out that SS, the stock market, retirement funds, and the banking system are complete frauds, but the clergy who handel the word of God they put there trust in.
@ Barb; I haven’t been a church goer in my life time, so maybe some who have been can correct me if I’m wrong. But do they ever pray with Psalms 23 to the living in church on Sunday’s, and teach its true meaning?…. It appears to me when ever I hear people in my day to day personal walk in the surrounding world, I almost always hear this Psalm at funerals or deaths., I have even known those who openly claim not to be Christian to still use this at funerals, especially on TV’s shows and movies….Maybe Hollywood is painting a picture in the minds of the people… My question is why, funerals only? Maybe I’m wrong here, if so I would gladly like to be corrected…Maybe I haven’t had enough contact with the church going world……….but this is what it appears to be to me…..i have known many church goer family members of whom never speak of this Psalm unless someone dies. Kinda like thanksgiving is a once year thing.
It seems to me that the clergy has turned it into a funeral prayer…..It subtly shifts the true meaning of Psalms 23 in the mind of the congregation…… If it is only spoken for the most part by the clergy at funerals, it puts a subliminal message in the minds of the multitudes, that the valley of the shadow of death is a future event…..Satan consistently, and I mean he very consistently has shifted the passed events into make believe future events, this is one of his biggest cons….Examples;; the 70 weeks of Daniel, Christs finished works, mark of the beast, the dreadful antichrist, overcoming sin is taught to be a future event after this life, 1000 yr. reign, peace, the Holy Ghost rain that was poured out at Pentecost, Christ sitting down at the throne of David, the tribulation will judge physical Isarel, these are jsut a few of the doctrines that Satan has shifted to be future events in the minds of the clergy and the congregation who follow them. There is no power or hope in a gospel which has false doctrine in it.
Maybe i have the wrong view of this, but it appears it has been programmned into the minds of people that it is somethiing for the dead…This has nothing to do with the internet, just something I have observed over my life time.
Sincerely
Bill
All true Bill – along with insurance scams, lawyer fees, vet fees, fraudulent advertising, and all manner of evil permeating life as we know it now. Are you surprised that the world system is corrupt? And let me tell you there are many many many people out there misrepresenting Christ – which is the very worst sin. I think Christ also mentioned while He walked out His ministry that He came for the sinners – not the self righteous. Those who misrepresent the gospel or Christ personally will be held way more accountable.
I also have some angst against any Tom, Dick or who sees himself fit to throw himself in front of a webcam to declare biblical truth. I see hypocrisy in the damning of TV preachers while turning an ear to be tickled online. It seems to me that many spend a fair amount of time searching the internet for truth when it is only by a personal relationship with Christ and truth as revealed by His own Holy Spirit that we are called to listen to – and even to be saved by.
Sorry guys, I really shouldn’t be calling the kettle black as I am just as guilty of bashing and judging. It must be the human nature in me revealing itself.
Its difficult not to see that the funeral buisness is one of the biggest rackets going. It’s all about the money…They are for the most part salesmen and hoaxters pretending to be of God….
Agape
Bill
For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12
Comeon guys – here we go again, bashing the wrong entities. For sure we are all influenced by evil spirits, but I just know that piles of those evil beings congregate when this goes on and find we – people who attack people – just the most ignorant souls on earth. And earth (the world) is not a place we are mandated to save. I’ve shared with you how it was that Psalm 23 was annointed to bless my family at a funeral – bashing funeral directors for distorting the truth of salvation by using that Psalm (and who of us knows who’s save or not) , when the Lord is ever so able to manifest Himself through all that, is just wroing.
Let’s let God be God and get out of that judgemental mindset. We must remember that God did not wait over 2000 years to reveal truth of His Word. He does this to His own in very quiet and subtle ways as we grow in Him and while He renews that mind of flesh with understanding which is wisdom with discernment. We have spiritual weapons to use when meeting up with the enemy of our souls.
_______________________________________
Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. 14 Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared.[b] Ephesians 6:13
@ Barb I absolutely agree with your understanding on Psalms 23, My point was , and i did not explain myself very well, that being the funeral business in many ways has turned it into a prayer for the dead………My guess is, and its only a guess on my part, that this is could be subtly spawned from the idea of purgatory. JMO.
@Sandra , the walk in the valley of the shadow of death is now, our hope is that we will overcome to the end and receive the prize, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise (HIS blessed assurance) meaning its Gods promise to save us if we overcome and endure our cross till the end. He will never leave us or forsake us. For it is impossible for God to lie. But we can forsake HIM…in other words it is impossible for God to break his end of the covenant, but we must keep our end of the covenant….. Our hope is in HIM and HIM only…The OSAS ones who think they have arrived have left out the very important equation of “hope”……What hope would there be if one has already arrived?
But if we earnestly contend for the faith once given to the saints, God will most assuredly do the rest. (this is being sealed by the Spirit of promise in Eph. ch 4)
agape
Bill
Bro. Pete: Thank you, so, so much for your answer
May the Lord Bless you always,
With Love in Christ Jesus
@Bill Very sad how we have perverted love and in order to make people feel good, everyone is preached into heaven at all funerals. When we ought to be grieving over a lost soul, preachers put people into greater apostasy by failing to speak the truth about turning our lives to God in order to be saved. There is no fear of God anymore, while they may not say it, everyone is going to be saved in the end their sermons teach. Believing in God means one must be earnestly be striving to purify their hearts. You can tell if someone’s hope is truly in the Lord.
1 John 3:2-3 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure
@Sandra Yes I favorited the video those young men produced as I was so elated to see they had come to realize the deadly leaven of what Finalcall07 and Jan Boshoff teaches. 88% good stuff but some deadly poison that leads to bondage and death and one walking in rebellion (not loving their neighbor). More and more I see the Spirit of God waking people up that desire to live a godly life for Christ and they are speaking out the truth.
Choose today to whom we shall serve. I see the valley of decision in the here and now, we get to decide every day to pick up our cross and go the way of the Lord or to not pick it up and take the worldly route which only leads to spiritual death. God will render recompense to all based on their deeds and decisions made in this valley. Choose life.
Greetings and Peace to all from our Lord Jesus Christ:
Barb: God Bless, You truly are an inspiration to all, and you are loved.
================================================
Bill: It is funny that you should mention the “valley of decision”, this has been on my mind over the last couple of days, so I did some studying on the issue. I agree that the dead know nothing, this is what scripture tells us, to be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord. However, do we walk in the “valley” now, or does it come at the end (ie)”great white throne judgement”, “sheep and goats” etc.? Am I in error to think that the “valley of decision” deals with judgment. Judgement begins at the house of God. I, too, thought we were in this “valley” today, because I feel that Jesus is separating the sheep from the goats, here, now. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. God Bless
=================================================
Here is a video that Pete favorited a couple days ago, and when I watched, I also favorited it. These truely are evil times, and it’s only going to wax worse. Persecutions are coming, and we, the followers of Jesus will be the enemy. The POD’s are running this world, and they are ever increasing their speed, for they know they have but a short time. All I have to say is, and I will quote Bro. Randall, “Just make the blade sharp”, ’cause I’m not about to renounce my Savior. Oh, and hold onto your Bibles, and get His word deep inside, plant His seed deep in your hearts, for there will come a time when we wont have access to His Holy Word.
http://youtu.be/bLbeguVeAaw
==================================================
God Bless, With Love in Jesus Christ
Good day all lambs.
Heres a treat.
Jeremiah ch 10 v 10-11
But the Lord is the TRUE GOD, he is the living God, and an everlasting king; at his WRATH the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them, the gods that have NOT made the heavens and earth, even they shall PERISH from the earth, and from under these heavens. Yet new age claims man is gods, and the God who will change the earth will come in the form of man.
Hmmm…………………let he who has eyes to see and ears to hear understand.
Oh, but remember……………..These gods and so called GOD…………..they perish at his wrath, His coming. Be blessed peoples.
@ Bill – you mention Psalm 23 – and I apologize for getting into the middle of a discussion when I am unaware of intentions here. However, that particular psalm took up new meaning to us when our child died.
Dan lived in Arizona, was 30 yrs old, and died suddenly. When my husband and I arrived there we were overcome with tears and grief. As we made the rounds of settling his affairs, it was difficult to concentrate and our tears overwhelmed any decisions we needed to make. However, it was as though someone else was going before us, as our way was made plain and two of my sisters arrived to help. At one point in our walk there I became aware of Psalm 23 and thought to myself – this is what that psalm meant – that though we were walking through the darkest valley – He was close beside us and taking care of matters.
Yes, I believe that the psalm is as you say Bill – but it also has deeper layers of truth – layers that bring comfort at funerals…I think we need to remember this regarding all truths we read in scriptures – that there are layers contained in them and sometimes we need to dig them out – or recognize them as the Lord makes them clear to us. At that time it was also made clear to me that 1 Cor 3: 1-3 refers to those who are only content to drink milk when maturity demands eating meat. I’m not saying that your response was a milky one – only that as we go through life scriptures sometimes take on different meanings for us as His Words are not limited to our minds of flesh and reasoning.
The LORD is my shepherd;
I have all that I need.
2 He lets me rest in green meadows;
he leads me beside peaceful streams.
3 He renews my strength.
He guides me along right paths,
bringing honor to his name.
4 Even when I walk
through the darkest valley,[a]
I will not be afraid,
for you are close beside me.
The deception is so deep that Satan has convinced the funeral parlour hucksters and false prophets to read Psalms 23 at funerals after the deceased has alredy passed on …..unknowing to them Psalms 23 is for the ones still here alive on this earth walking in the valley of decision. …Yes it could benefit the listeners….but Psalms 23 can now do nothing for the dead, yet many of them believe it is for the dead.
Praying over the dead is more invisable scripture……Yes their is mourning and comforting others during this time of loss and suffering…
The whole funeral buisness is a hoax like the religion they were spawned out of..
Agape
Bill
Thanks Bill for your explanation of 1Thes 4. You did a much better job explaining it than I could.
@Lynn A, I studied this subject a while back and the HS reavealed the same truth to me as was revealed to Bill. I hope any confusion over the rapture subject has been cleared up.
blessings,
Karen