The Conspiracy of “Church”
I am not one of those conspiracy fanatics that think the government killed JFK, planned 9/11, is building FEMA death camps and the like. I am as far from that politically and spiritually as one can possibly be. Now that God has my heart, I really don’t care at all about politics, I simply refuse to play that game knowing that God is in absolute total control of everything and the events of the end times. I want to focus on getting myself and others ready for the Bridegroom.
I worry about some of my fellow brothers and sisters that seem obsessed with this kind of stuff. Even the recent oil spill was supposed to be an end times cataclysmic event and it currently looks like it was nothing of the sort – perhaps a warning from God. It is amazing how fast the hysteria disappeared and I live on the Florida panhandle coast where it was the talk of the town. Maybe I am wrong but I don’t believe in stuff that is not supported by facts and is built upon heresy. While some of this is interesting speculation, I would rather focus on spiritual truths and am concerned by the many conspiracy teachings one can find on the internet.
But there is ONE CONSPIRACY I believe in and it is the one defined in the Holy Scriptures. You may call it a conspiracy theory but I call it TRUTH as it is spelled out for us in our Bibles. The prophets spoke of the end, the day of the LORD in addition to foretelling the coming of the Messiah.
Jeremiah 11:9-13 Then the LORD said to me, “There is a CONSPIRACY among the people of Judah and those who live in Jerusalem. 10 They have returned to the sins of their forefathers, who refused to listen to my words. They have followed other gods to serve them. Both the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken the covenant I made with their forefathers. 11 Therefore this is what the LORD says: ‘I will bring on them a disaster they cannot escape. Although they cry out to me, I will not listen to them. 12 The towns of Judah and the people of Jerusalem will go and cry out to the gods to whom they burn incense, but they will not help them at all when disaster strikes. 13 You have as many gods as you have towns, O Judah; and the altars you have set up to burn incense to that shameful god Baal are as many as the streets of Jerusalem.’
These words sound like they describe modern Christianity or “churchianity” as it is now being called. Christians are living and practicing sin. They are following demons (other gods) and their false religious doctrines. The people who call themselves by the name of God are not walking in covenant. The Lord is bringing disaster upon them in the form of the flood of lies, the GOD SENT DELUSION. The LORD is once again going to shake all that can be shaken. The earthquakes and quaking of the “land” has begun.
Look at the last verse of the above Jeremiah passage. Kind of reminds you of all the churches, denominations and ministries one finds out in the world that call themselves Christian. Maybe God was serious about covenant and keeping it. Maybe being in the will of God takes more than saying some words, slapping on a Jesus label, building a steeple, hanging a cross, and putting fish symbols on our cars. Burning incense refers to praying. What if God meant it when He said He does not even hear the prayers of those that practice sin? Does that explain the fallen state of church today and the spiritual shaking that is going on in many hearts? Is this why the churches of today are focused on entertainment and tickling ears versus really being a house of prayer? If prayers are not answered because of sin, won’t people stop praying with all sincerity? The conspiracy of church has deceived the people and our assemblies have become a place to merchandise the things of God for selfish gain and ambition.
Many may read this passage or the whole book of Jeremiah as a nice historical story about what happened in the past. But I see it differently, I see a prophet called by God recording prophecy that applied to both the current time and the time to come. God inspired all of this to be recorded for us to learn and apply the lesson so we could walk in covenant with Him. God through Jeremiah is giving us a history lesson but more importantly showing us an end time prophecy that is now coming to pass. Lest you think the prophets are historical revelation, think again.
ACTS 13:40 Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:
‘ Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’”
The great prophet Ezekiel came along many years after Jeremiah. The Book of Ezekiel is a tremendous prophecy about sin, God’s judgment, and the false teachings that would lead sheep to the slaughter. It also tells us that the LORD steps in and saves those that are truly His just as Jesus said “I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” Babylon is man’s religion and man’s attempts at building church, but the spirit behind all of this is not of God, it is the lions roaring in conquest.
Ezekiel 22:23-25 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 24“Son of man, say to her, ‘You are a land that is not cleansed or rained on in the day of indignation.’ 25“There is a CONSPIRACY of her prophets in her midst like a roaring lion tearing the prey They have devoured lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in the midst of her.
Widows are lost people that do not have a husband, they are not married to Jesus. This is Babylon who says she is no widow, but she actually is one. Our enemy, the powers of darkness have come to steal the plunder, which are the souls of the people of God.
There is no power of the Holy Spirit in the fallen church. Nobody believes that God can do anything anymore. Who in Babylon is doing the works Jesus did and even greater works? Sin has never been purged, in fact it has been accommodated. Maybe that explains the lack of power in the church. The blind lead the blind and the traditions of men handed down become the new gospel. Grace is a license to sin and man has no duty or responsibility to choose life or death.
Hosea 4:7-8 The more the priests increased, the more they sinned against Me; they exchanged their Glory for something disgraceful. They feed on the sins of my people and relish their wickedness
Scriptures tells us that where there is sin being practiced in the hearts of the people, there will also be many demons. That is Babylon, a dwelling place of demons. The abomination that causes desolation already stands in the temples of God but very few see this conspiracy unfolding in Babylon.
Zephaniah 2:15 This is the exultant city which dwells securely, who says in her heart, ”I am, and there is no one besides me “ How she has become a desolation, a resting place for beasts!
People are getting cut down by the tree cutters and they don’t even know it. They cannot hear or see the adversaries to the truth that bring the desolation to the temple. It is indeed a conspiracy.
Psalm 74:3-5 The enemy has damaged everything within the sanctuary. 4Your adversaries have roared in the midst of Your meeting place; They have set up their own standards for signs. It seems as if one had lifted up. His axe in a forest of trees.
Jeremiah lamented on the total surprise about the destruction of those that called themselves by the name of the Lord. It is going to happen again, Babylon will fall and for the same reasons. The three-letter word SIN, is the root and when sin is not purged, innocent blood is shed by the religious system and institutions of men.
Lamentations 4:12 – The kings of the earth, and all inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the adversary and the enemy could enter the gates of Jerusalem – 13 Because of the sins of her prophets and the iniquities of her priests, who shed in her midst the blood of the just.
The plunderers of God’s temple have a most excellent excuse. God sent them to plunder. It is God’s righteous judgment for SIN.
Jeremiah 50:7 All who came upon them have devoured them; and their adversaries have said, ‘We are not guilty, Inasmuch as they have sinned against the LORD who is the habitation of righteousness
The powers of darkness have raised up false prophets that have two horns like a lamb but they speak like dragons. They pervert the true WORD of God and bring doctrines of demons. The drunk get drunker and many sleep a perpetual sleep and do not awake. People that walk in the flesh have been easy prey for this ear tickling “gospel” that has completely cut out the judgment and fear of God. Repentance has no place in this conspiracy. God spoke to the Prophet about this scheming.
Ezekiel 22:26 – Her priests have done violence to My law and have profaned My holy things; they have made no distinction between the holy and the profane, and they have not taught the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they hide their eyes from My sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27“Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. 28“Her prophets have smeared whitewash for them, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,’ when the LORD has not spoken. 29“The people of the land have practiced oppression and committed robbery, and they have wronged the poor and needy and have oppressed the sojourner without justice.
The Easy Believism gospel sheds the blood of many and destroys lives. Sin is not rebuked or confronted and instead men driven by selfish ambition are fueled by pride and ego to build their own towers into heaven. This builds foundations on sand versus the ROCK and constructs walls that are nothing more than whitewash. God sees right thru it and says He will send His flood and His winds to knock down the walls.
Matthew 23:27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness
Ezekiel 13:10 – It is definitely because they have misled My people by saying, ‘Peace!’ when there is no peace. And when anyone builds a wall, behold, they plaster it over with whitewash; 11so tell those who plaster it over with whitewash, that it will fall. A flooding rain will come, and you, O hailstones, will fall; and a violent wind will break out.
The truth is sobering and yet very few see what is really happening. The church has totally fallen away. False shepherds have painted an image of a broad and easy road that leads to salvation. Virtually all that is called church has fallen away from the truth. The abomination of desolation sits inside of people with impure hearts exalting itself as God. This is the powers of darkness.
What many Christians call church has become a synagogue of Satan. This apostate “church” itself is the image of the beast which is worshipped. Those deceived into taking the mark of the beast worship this spiritual gathering in this synagogue and exalt the dragon. The Jesus that is worshipped is an idol, a false Jesus and promoted by a perverted gospel of grace. Jesus spoke to the church of Smyrna about the tares (fake Jews) that were playing church. These harlot Christians are fakes and are the same ones that will persecute the true faithful of Christ.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
We cannot be fearful of this persecution by other people (Gentiles) that call themselves Christians. I have been seriously guilty of this and not wanting to implode my reputation have remained fairly quiet locally. It is a whole lot easier to blow a trumpet on the internet then it is to one walking down your local street. I need to step out in greater faith and I write this to encourage me and others that may be dealing with the same issues.
This is a spirit of fear which has bound up many a brother or sister that was given the truth. This same spirit silences the pastors from speaking truth from the pulpits. This has been a successful scheme of Satan to build an image unto himself (Babylon) and the devil will continue to use fear to keep the truth from the people. If we shrink back from the WORD that God has shown us and place the approval of man above the approval of God, the Bible tells us we too will be destroyed. I pray myself and others will stand firm in the furnace of fire and trust in God alone for our security.
Finally we must remember we cannot be clanging symbols if we want to serve Jesus. I see many rebuking error but doing so with a spirit of judgmentalism. I have seen this in the mirror when I look at myself, yet God is bringing me thru it and I am dying to this spirit of pride. In the above Revelation 3 passage, it is interesting that God tells the faithful brothers in the Philadelphia church that those that are persecuting them will ultimately bow down at their feet. This is God’s revenge and we must remain humble and gentle despite the present day opposition and leave the vengeance to God.
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered
Those that truly know Jesus can take heart to His faithfulness. God is raising up his flock despite the rampant apostasy and worship of false gods and different jesus’s. God has stepped in for the false shepherds who have led His flock to become prey for the powers of darkness. God is against these hirelings that are peddling the word of God for gain.
Ezekiel 34:8-11 As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “surely because My flock became a prey, and My flock became food for every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, nor did My shepherds search for My flock, but the shepherds fed themselves and did not feed My flock” therefore, O shepherds, hear the word of the LORD! 10 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require My flock at their hand; I will cause them to cease feeding the sheep, and the shepherds shall feed themselves no more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouths, that they may no longer be food for them.” Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out.
This is how I was given eyes to see and ears to hear the truth. I did not do it, it was all God but He came after I turned my heart to seek Him. He is my deliverer!!!
Many of our brother and sisters are sleeping as we all were, yet God is awakening His people in the end. Once so awakened, we must blow the trumpets, we must awaken in turn others who sleep in our midst. But we must do so with a God kind of love. I am still learning how to do this more effectively and continue to be edified by other like-minded spirits.
LYNN, I may be ignorant of these things. I have looked into it a little but not a lot. So I do worry that it all may be a distraction initiated by our enemy. My understanding of these end time prophecies, and I have posts/videos that show what I see as the truth — is that they are spiritual things. The destruction of God’s people is spiritual death thru sin. To die is gain and so if the LORD takes us and does not protect us physcially I will accept that as His sovereign will. Yet fear is a weapon and tool of the enemy. I fear not those people and things and events that can kill the body, I fear only the ONE who can kill both body and soul and cast me into the lake of fire. I have my antenna’s out looking, I continue to look for new and more light that is confirmed in the Scriptures. So thank you for sharing, I will spend some more time investigating the things you speak of. I live on the gulf, in Destin Florida on the water. If I was really in danger and God really wanted me to physically move away from here, I would do it. So I am hoping if that is the call, I will hear the Holy Spirit tell me to do that. If there is one thing I know for certain, it is that I and NO MAN has all the light or all the truth. So I appreciate your input and invite anyone reading to comment and help us all to edify one another.
PETE NOTE: This comment was left on permament blog page that mirrors this post. I wanted to share it since I have several folks that subscribed to comments on this post and I felt it was a relevant dialog.
FROM LYNN:
You said “I worry about some of my fellow brothers and sisters that seem obsessed with this kind of stuff [satanic conspiracies]. Jesus commands His follower to “be wise as serpents, [know what the devil is up to!] and harmless as doves.” So I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Pete. You are right on the mark about the 501c3 government churches but you are wrong about your brothers and sisters who try to be “wise as serpents” by knowing what the schemes of the Illuminati (Luciferians who control this present world…1 John 5:19) are up to! The Old Testament prophets are FULL of references to these things and Proverbs 26:2 says “It is the glory of God to CONCEAL a matter….it is the glory of KINGS to SEARCH it out.” Rev 1:6 says that all true believers are KINGS and priests in Christ! So 2 + 2 = 4! You are a “soldier of Christ” right? Well soldiers are supposed to be aware of the agenda and schemes of the enemy, if not, the can be ambushed and overcome! The Luciferians have their satanic symbols all over everything (i.e eye over the pyramid, masonic symbols, 911 (false flag satanic blood sacrifice AND “call for help”) etc. etc. When one is born again, they are given spiritual discernment to know good from evil. It doesn’t take much discernment to see that the Gulf Oil disaster WAS a major event! 11 men died on April 20, which is a HIGH holy day of the Satanists and a day in which BLOOD human sacrifices are required to spiritually strengthen his followers. 11 is also one of their favorite occult numbers in numerology. Research history. Many catostrophic and/or evil things have occured on April 20. God Himself told us that the WHOLE WORLD is under the sway (deception) of the wicked one. (Satan). DECEPTION = CONSPIRACY. Back to the Gulf Oil disaster. It’s not about the oil, its about the COREXIT which is highly toxic that they are reportedly STILL spraying at night. They have POISONED the Gulf which is a major source of food and income for millions of people! You can bury your head in the sand on this if it makes you feel better, but brother, you are WRONG on this! Eugenics is a big part of the Illuminati’s agenda. That is, to covertly reduce the human population. When people eat seafood that is contaminated with Corexit, they get cancer, maybe immediately, maybe a few years down the road, so that no one (lacking in discernment) connects the dots! Same goes for their witches brew called “vaccines” which contain mercury, formaldyhide and monkey puss, which cause autism and numerous other conditions to develop later and SHORTEN life spans. America used to have the number 1 longest life spans of any nation. They are now number 37!! You need to do what you are commanded as a “king” and search out the things that God has concealed. The evidence is all around us and to disbelieve in all the monstrous facets of Satan’s conspiracies is to disbelieve in half the Bible which proclaims these things! Be ye wise as serpents…………
I am becoming more and more concerned about our music. Obviously the non Christian music is for the most part demonic. But even so called christian music is now drilling the false gospel into people’s hearts. You say a lie often enough then it becomes your truth. Here is a link to one part of a multi part series about the demonic behind our music industry. It is quite chilling and will make any of us think twice next time we put on some music. I only watched a few parts but was stunned with what is being put into our minds, especially our youth.
Bravo…welcome.
There are a few of us around, mostly in different continents.
Read as many of Petes posts as you can. Work through them.
Read online (link on petes site) The Great Falling Away by Milton Green. Its a must.
Ask for understanding as you learn some of the deep truths, sometimes it is foggy, read them and pray, come back and read again, God will open up your eyes, it can take time. He rewards those who seek him.
We are all in this together.
I don’t smoke but I sure battle fear and anger.
In Jesus
Deborah
Thank you both for your comments. I am bother by the smoking issue b/c it is a clear indication that my heart is not clean, and that a part of me is still rebelling agtainst God. THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME. I threw away my pack yesterday, and am making a choice not to smoke as of today…
On a different note, is it weird that I feel as though I can’t really trust anything anymore? I can’t continue listening to the ‘christian’ music anymore (which I have listened to everyday for the last 2 years, and really enjoyed) because I can hear the deception in it now. My church seems to be preaching the ‘ear-tickling’ messages, and I never really ‘joined’ the church anyway, but now I wonder if it is a good idea to keep attending. Even in some of my own posts I will read them a time later and see ‘fleshliness’ in my words. It freaks me out.
I know how your feeling. Two thursday nights ago I woke up in fear over seeing myself and I had no hope of a savior! That is when I saw the SON! I ate the book, I love it. Its been a time of joy and repentance. I daily am on the verge of tears. Look to the son. Smoking is not the issue, the issue is our hearts. Its desperately wicked. I feel like I am in a whole separate world. I know what Paul felt like when he talked about the dual citizenship, mans traditions including this “justice system” and the Kingdom don’t line up. I found myslef inquiring of “other gods” in these denominations, just to see how they believed, and I was given the dream about snakes. We don’t inquire what they believe, we give them the God they don’t know. This “jesus” being taught is putting a band aid on a 50ft gash! Just like Jeremiah spoke of, a superficial healing, its not the “Jesus” of scripture.
Do not let smoking condemn you. Sure you should not smoke, but I do not see that as a sin. The temple of God is our spiritual hearts. False doctrine would have it being a sin if you ate a cheesburger, bacon, were 10 lbs overweight and excluded from the kingdom because you were not a fitness nut or health fanatic. That is not the cleansing of the temple God had in mind. He wants a pure heart, that is His requirement, not a nicotene free blood stream. DONT LISTEN TO THE LIAR. You can do ALL things, even quitting smoking thru Christ who strengthens you. But you must trust God and believe that promise and take captive the enemy thoughts that exalt themselves against the truth.
People want to focus on what is called the POOL ROOM sins, smoking, drinking etc but I think God cares more about pride, greed, lusts, jealousy, anger, unforgiveness that he does about a cigarette. I smoked for 25 years and could only quit once I came to know God. It may take time but if you pray for GRACE and divine help and really really want to quit in your heart, He will see you thru it. If you fall down, get right back up. I am an expert at quiting smoking having done it hundreds of times!!! On a more serious note, the enemy is going to come right on the heels of your eyes awakening with doubt, unbelief, fear. Satan will throw his book at you to knock you off the path of righteousness. Stay the course, resist the devil and he will flee after a little while. Just trust trust in the LORD. And yes you should quit smoking, it detracts from your testimony when others and non believers see you smoke. Quit for that reason alone so you can be effective and used for noble purposes. I think it is 2 Tim 6:3 cleanse yourself from worldly things so He can use you for noble purposes
Hi,
Just wanted to say I stumbled across this site via a link on another site. I was fed by Babylon for a quite a while, but this week God opened my eyes. I feel a fear of Him that I have never known, and it now seems like I am living in a world that is ‘fake’ or ‘unreal’ — not sure how to describe it. The Holy Spirit has been working in me to question the teachings that I so willingly gobbled up…but this past weekend I came to the end of it. Nothing made sense and I was very depressed and discouraged and just kind of got angry and completely denounced all the teachings and ways I was ‘trying’ and it was horrible. By God’s grace I repented for being angry with him, and knew in my spirit I could not and DID not want to go on without him. The next day (Monday) I found a site (fleethewrath.com) and my eyes were opened.
I feel afraid, alone, and scared that I won’t be able to pass these end times tests. Mainly, I need to quit smoking, and I believe that Satan is using all his power to destroy me through this. It was never this hard to quit and it’s more than a ‘nicotine’ addiction.
What if I can’t kick it? Anyway, I’m just fearful– but not all in a bad way. Lots of things need to change, but will I be able to follow through with the Lord? I am certain of nothing in myself right now.
Thanks for listening – sorry if this was a odd-ball post for this space.
Pete, yes that is the correct site. His name is Robert and he’s pretty much anonomous. I would call him a modern day holiness preacher, who considers himself a watchman, not looking for notoriety and appears to be 100% sold-out to our Heavenly Father. My brief listen -in on your video made me think that you both have something in common. No fluff, just real serious walk with the Lord! Something I’m striving for myself. After all what else could be more important? Especially now. Every time I really contemplate when Jesus was in the garden and he did’nt want to go through with God’s plan, but did because he loved his Father so much. And how he felt the fury of God’s wrath against the sins of the whole world. Well, it takes the wind right out of me! I mean, I’m speechless. I WANT TO SEE JESUS! I WANT TO SEE GOD! I want to enter-in at the narrow gate. Forgive me for rambling. God bless. Dan
The Jew is now one inwardly, “the heart” is where obedience is, and where the trouble has been:
Joel 2:13 and rend your hearts and not your garments.” Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love; and he relents over disaster. (amen to this verse)
Romans 2:29
But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
Notice in Deut 30 also talks about the Heart:
Deuteronomy 30:6 “Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.
Jeremiah 4:4
Circumcise yourselves to the LORD; remove the foreskin of your hearts, O men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem; lest my wrath go forth like fire, and burn with none to quench it, because of the evil of your deeds.”
Colossians 2:11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ
Christ is the promised seed, NOT Isaac. The seed is then birthed in us. Scripture is full of parallels, allegories and anthromorphisms.
This is Melissa, I did want to add that those branches spoken of in Romans are about “Jews”.
If I wanted to boast in the flesh I could in regards to my family, who are Jews by the flesh, & were expelled after the war, the castle was taken by the Catholic church until this day.
I just met HIM face to face. But the flesh means nothing, its corrupt, there is now neither Jew nor Greek, male of female for we are all one in Him.
Your misunderstanding what I am saying, and I apologize for my lack of being clear. I am definitely not boasting,I am the wicked that was washed made clean within. I’ve seen Him like daniel and john, and He touched me with His right hand. Its none of my business about others except to tell them faithful and true is riding Now these are not future judgments. I had three dreams in succession last night. My children and I have had dreams for over a year now that come true. There are two dead bodies in my yard and a “doctor” comes and tells me to give them water. The next dream its revealed who they are, the next one I am pulling snakes off of me with no harm coming to me. Faithful and true Is riding. Only He knows the intent of the heart and He is judging the living and the dead. I apologize if you thought i am speaking of others. His sword causes us to turn. You have to see yourslef and know your a leper to be healed.
That site is a little disturbing.
thanks Dan. I like the Ezek 34 passage I put in the post. God himself steps in and becomes our shepherd, He delivers us despite the failings of men. All we have to do is turn our heart to Him. On the web link, I think you meant http://www.theremnantcafe.org. A lot of stuff there, some others were about physical food. If you see this please confirm the link and I will correct in your comment.
Note to readers: I have not vetted this site except to see that it does speak on Christian topics. Like all messages about God, walk carefully and circumspectfully.
Brother Pete, Just wanted to let you know that my story is almost an exact copy of yours. Not bringing up the sin issue when dealing with fellow “saints” because I don’t want them to think I’m a hypocrit. So while I’m in the process of being purged by Father I usually use myself as the example. Anyway, I don’t think I seem self-righteous when I do this. I;m already seeing fruit from it,PRAISE GOD! And, I think it makes me more earnest in my own desire to become more holy. Oh trust me, I still got a long way to go, but, things are happening in my spirit and my HATE for sin is increasing more and more, making it that much more important to get it out of my life! I will say this, false teachings are the root of the problem, because we need someone to guide us in the beginning of our walk and if we start out crooked how are we to know that? So personally, I thank God for putting a desire to learn more which set me on a collision course with my main teacher and my former pastor. At this time I don’t attend a building but I go to “church” every day. So, thank you for what you’re doing, because it’s strengthening me and confirming what’s going-on in my life and in my own walk with the Lord. God bless you and yours Dan. Check out http://www.theREMNANTCAFE.org AWESOME SITE ANONOMOUS BROTHER
Since yesterday I have been thinking about what is the correct heart attitude to those who rebel against the word of God. In Romans paul says:
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear
So we are not to be highminded and boast but with *fear* remember that God did not spare those disobedient branches. However the point is that we would desire to see those who have been broken of either natual Isreal or apostates re-grafted in. ( I hope I have correct understanding)
We must also remember:
Eze 33:11 Say unto them, [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
So must our heart be while there is still time for those who have not known from the Lord, to repents.
Interestingly notice here:
Num 16:41 ¶ But on the morrow all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron, saying, Ye have killed the people of the LORD.
Here we see in the rebellion of Korah that the people where disgruntled and spoke against the judgement of God when the matter had been proved against Korah.
Num 16:45 Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces.
Here we see Gods anger at thier refusal to accept his judgements on Gods wickeness. He was going to smite them all except Moses.
Again:
Rev 19:1 ¶ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
Rev 19:2 For true and righteous [are] his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
As Pete has commented in the past here we see the host of heaven rejoicing in the judgment of the apostate church.
I believe that while we are here, while there is time we must walk as Jesus walked, not condeming but reaching out to those who are lost with all humility and truth, remebering that it is not for us to boast that we are by his mercy walking right.
The time will come however when the ARK door will close and judgemetnt will begin, and God out of LOVE must judge, and excact justice on those who have refused to worship and obey him, and who have rejected his genorous offer of salvation.
Gods righteousness in the days of Noah was more important to him than millions of lives. He is who he is and he cannot deny himself.
In Jesus
Deborah
Amen. Thru many tribulations we will enter the Kingdom (Acts 14:22)
God does NOT love wicked people. In Psalm 17, he uses His sword to deliver us from the wicked, ourselves, causing His Kingdom to be birthed in us.
“The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet”. Nahum1:3.
We’re too busy blaming everyone else, when the problem is us. Its us that is guilty for breaking the covenant. Everyone is not His, there are vessels to Honor (his chosen) and vessels to dishonor. Its not the false doctrine that is the problem, its our hearts that play the harlot against Him. When he brings down the pride in our hearts, and the Kingdom is birthed in us, there is the new heavens and earth, in us.
The time of travailing, Jacob’s trouble, is about us being birthed into the Spiritual kingdom, not a worldwide catastrophe.
Debbie/Neal, Thank you for all your input here. I was beginning to soften a bit, get wooley and that is the trap of the enemy. The more water we pour on the truth the less offensive it becomes. A spirit of intimidation, not one of power, love and sound mind is behind that.
Neal I applaud your boldness on your blog and the willingness to confront people directly in love. Scary stuff about the church at Liberty that I did not go into but you did a little bit. I had almost gone to Kansas City as I had a son at a nearby college.
Yes ALL Scripture is profitable for doctrine and reproof, not just John 3:16 and Eph 2:8
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I don’t know about the ministries. But well said on the other issues.
Brother Milton Green said in one of his tapes.
“we are free to love our enemies because God takes care of the judgements”. Therefore we are free to warn, and I would caution only to use the word of God and not our own opinions. I feel if we really check ourselves put into practice the recommedations of the Lord in this area, and follow the leading re. the timing, we will be ok, if we endure persecution then so be it.
Loving someone into hell is the type of love the world shows.
Amen to this article! Let us purge ourselves of sin through the power of the Holy Spirit. Let us preach the gospel to them all and then the end will come. We are not being judgmental for telling people what the bible says and what is going to happen if they continue in the Harlot Church and her practices. There is a conspiracy and it’s our job to tell others, despite what we may feel.
Someone mentioned Doug Perry. I read the Red Dragon book too and found it educational, but upon visiting his “church” in Liberty MO, the Holy Spirit had me flee the very next day! He himself is under a delusion and clearly not following scriptures. I confronted him about some of things I saw via email after I left but he wouldn’t give me a straight answer. As I constantly presented clear scripture showing the error in what he was doing, he would deny it or ignore it! While Doug has some truth, there is deception mixed in and his church is un-biblical. I hope he gets on track. At this time, I don’t recommend his ministry at all. The devil always use some truths to draw us in, as he did me, but we must stay close to the Holy Spirit and allow him to look out for you. I thank God that I didn’t get caught up in that delusion as many have already in Doug’s camp “The Church of Liberty”.
I spoke to my wife about this last night. True love would have us confronting a brother or sister in Christ that is being cut down by the enemy with somw physicial or mental affliction. But flesh says to keep silent, go comfort them but not bring up the SIN issue and the judgments and disciplone of God. That may scare them away. So most people, just sweep all the consequences for sin under the rug, put on the God is only love hat and stick their head in the sand.
Debbie, I think this is sage advice. Thank you for sharing it.
Where is the line. Well take your lead from the Lord. By our witness we are supposed to reprove the world of sin. Our witness should be to convict, this is not always with our mouths. Jesus wrote in the sand and did not speak. Sometimes just drawing a line in the sand is enough to convict others. Its not always about talking.
Something that I have recently been aware of is that I do not need ever to defend my postion for following Jesus, people always want to draw you into negotiating your basis for obedience.
I think you are doing a fine job, yes its easier to be more ‘hardline’ on the internet as there is not much in the way of much to lose in relationship.
When its within our families and communities, we may fear the loss of reputation, or relationships BUT there is a greater loss in eternity.
A friend of mine always says ‘ I don’t want people to be looking at me on judgement days saying ‘ Why did you not tell me’.
Keep going Pete your doing ok.
In Jesus,
Deborah
sorry for the prolific posting. and for typos, my keyboard is shot.
When I say we allow the children to recieve gifts, this is only from grandparents, and aunties and uncles. As the fully comprehend were we are. We do not join them on christmas day. we arrange another day over the period. I sound dreadfully pharasaical. I just nothing to hinder my walk.
I just stand aside from christmas, not shouting about it, but letting my witness or not participating speak for itself.
Hi Pete,
I have only been a believer in Jesus for 9 years, and it was a gradual process over the first five years of my walk. It was a gradual clearing out of the ‘physical’ aspect, trees and such like. Personally I have never liked christmas, in our home as a child it came with, drunkeness and violence all whitewashed over with lights and gifts.
I do have children, and my oldest actually always hated Santa Claus right from the get go.
In my mind if the world is doing it then we should not be. We have stood out against it for about four years now, not bashing anyone but we just say we don’t celebrate it. We allow our children to recieve gifts from people, but we ourselves do not buy gifts. Even 99% of the cards have stopped coming.
The month of December is extremely hard, you know that you are not going with the flow.
It sickens me the amount of christians the lie to thier children about santa claus. I once had an unbelieving friend who’s child had found out that santa was not real, the child wept at the betrayal of the mother and the mother was devastated that she had lied and lost the trust of her child.
The point is that christmas ‘or christs death’ as it should be translated is an invention of the Roman Catholic Church. And it celebrates the fact that in thier masses they believe that christ dies over and over again. When the truth is that he died once. It is also a cover for disgusting pagan festivals that the Catholic church could not eradicate so it assimilated.
I have also found that not celebrating it has created many chances to witness of Christ. Also believe me, in not celebrating christmas you will lose folks quicker than anything. Christmas is probably up there with money as one of the biggest idols around.
I am not judging, just sharing
In Jesus
Debbie.
Deborah, I forgot to answer your question. The hail is the powers of darkness. They are part of the storm and tempest of the Lord. Some verses to show this are Isa 28:2, Isa 30:30, Isa 32:19, Ezek 13 as shown in post, Ezek 38:22, Haggai 2:17. The hail lays the forest low. We are the trees of the field, our assemblies are the forests.
I agree on the Torah keeper message. I would have believed that the Holy Spirit would convict me of not keeping the feasts if that was really God’s will. Rood has become too self promoting, boastful, selling books and videos for me to take him seriously. While obedience is part of the message, there is more emphasis to ritual celebrating of Old Testament ordinances that Jesus nailed to the cross. My dear brother has become deeply immersed into Rood’s message and has virtually every tape and sermon and book he has every written. He even went out and bought the new ROOD BIBLE, that has “correctly” placed in the name of the Father and Jesus from their Hebrew origins.
Tim, Very interesting about the sower being cut off in Babylon. I always thought of the Messiah being cut off as referring to a similar departure from fallen Christians that love sin more than Him.
Yes I did listen to Doug’s message a couple of years ago. I was glued to it until I finished it and took a lot of notes. Doug has become quite the controversial one on youtube and very many have made accusations about his ministry. I sensed some deception so I have stayed away since then. Yet I do recall this book and thought it was eye opening in many respects regarding the pervasiveness of the enemy.
Yes I have actually watched two of Rood videos (one was on Sodom and gomorrah, supposedly he has one of the “rocks” still where it stood and burned it, poisonous gas came out of it).
Its boasting in the flesh.
Paul was very clear to the gentiles. His anger was towards the Jews who were leading them back under the law after they had been shown the truth.
I just read your article on dying to self and amen on that. this cutting away is not pleasant, but its necessary. Everyone is looking for some big mystical event, and are missing out on who He is Now.
Hi Pete,
Whilst I was praying the other day I was led to the scripture in Jeremiah 50: 16 Cut off the sower from Babylon, And him who handles the sickle at harvest time. For fear of the oppressing sword, Everyone shall turn to his own people, And everyone shall flee to his own land.
I believe that this ties in with what you are saying about the power of the Holy Spirit in the churches, or lack thereof. It does seem as though His hand is removed, He has ended a time of sewing and reaping of souls in Babylon. “Cut off the sower from Babylon, And Him who handles the sickle”
And now the people begin to perceive what’s going on, the lack of real repentance and conviction of sin and have no desire to be found in an apostate system, fearing being entangled in her oppressive ways, and the judgement that will come with that ” For fear of the oppressing sword”
And so now being awakened the people begin to come out of her “turn to their own peoples and flee to their own land” They begin to consider themselves what does the Lord require of thee. No longer looking to men, but God. And as I have shared before with weeping and sorrow this people begin to seek the Lord, to find their way back to Zion, for their shepherds had led them astray. Jeremiah 50:4.
There will be a harvest of souls out of Babylon, but it will not be according to the will of man, but rather the grace of God as He calls us and leads us out of her.
The way I see it. God’s people have been held captive in Babylon for near on 70 years now, and the final exodus has commenced.
As you know I am not one who would want to tell any person to leave their churches with out very clear leading. But clearly some are waking up to this “conspiracy” as you say. Though it is a demonic conspiracy, granted authority from the Lord. I would encourage people to persevere and endure patiently with all long suffering, but the day is clearly upon us when those who call themselves the church, are not necessarily the church.
Blessings, always enjoy your articles.
Tim
PS. Have you ever listened to Doug Perry’s series “the red dragon” You may find it interesting.
http://www.fellowshipofthemartyrs.com/home/index.php/books/online-audio-books/203-the-red-dragon-doug-perry.html
WOW. Intoxication, drunk with wine! I need to go look at that. I fear for my friends that have gone down the Messianic route. Have you heard of Michael Rood? He is a big promoter of that and while I have learned things from Rood, I parted ways with his teachings with this Torah observing message.
The verses I struggle with are those that say we are to separate from those that bring another gospel than what we’ve learned. Titus 3, about geneologies and strivings over the law after two times, withdraw its heresy. We are to withdraw. Not be mean, but stay away from.
I looked up the word resist. I am amazed,according to vine’s it means to withdraw from “intoxication”.
Amen deborah. I am not in the movement. Weird you would mention that dream because I have recently had the same dreams of betrothal.
I am glad you said that to Pete about judging others, because that is how I feel, I feel like I am judging, and maybe the enemy is using spreading the truth against those doing so by putting that in our minds. I was just sharing with Pete the warfare I am getting mentally is unreal, to the point that somedays, i wonder if I even understand.
Blessings~
Deborah, I dont celebrate these holidays in my heart but by association I do celebrate them because the people I live amongst celebrate them. My intial response was to lay down the law. I have thought the same thougths you mention, maybe I am getting soft or wooley as you brits like to say! This is indeed where I am looking for guidance from the LORD. I am at a pivotal point of action that will define my walk. I don’t want to be fearful of speaking truth and blowing a trumpet of warning, but I also don’t want to become an evil judge of hearts. I have seen bible thumpers that were such hypocrites it will make anyone sick. Where is that line? I keep reminding myself that I am nobody special, I have a role to play and need to learn how to operate with gentleness so I do not become a clanging symbol. So if I appear to be a little soft on Babylon and “church”, this is why.
Petes article does alot to answer these questions, and solidified alot of my own thinking in this area.
I also do not celebrate christmas or easter. Not because of Torah keeping but because from my time in the occult I know that its blatant witch-craft.
Dear Melissa,
I was into the whole messianic thing. Indeed there are many sincere people in it. How I was brought out of it was a dream I had. I am not a big ‘share dreams person’ but this helped me.
One night when I was Torah keeping I had a dream that I was on a long journey with all of my Torah keeping fellowships. We had a break in that journey at a motorway rest-stop. In this rest stop I got a drink and some food and looked for a place to sit. I saw this guy leaning over table and I asked could I share his table as there were no others free, he said yes without looking at me. I started to eat my food and this guy looked up at me, and looked me into the eyes and said ‘marry me’ I looked into his eyes and without a moments hesitation said ‘yes’. I can’t tell you how I know but that was Jesus, it was the eyes that told me. Then my fellowship people started calling me to get back on the bus, they were calling really strong, shouting saying come, come we are leaving. Jesus looked at me and I knew I should stay, but the fear of not being with the others overtook me and I left. On the coach I realised what I had done, I screamed for the coach to stop and it did, I ran back to find him and I did find him, I sought his face with forgivenes and tears, but he would not even look at me. I woke very sad. This day I came out and realised that I wanted to marry Jesus not a movement. Neither did I want to marry Moses, nor did I want to scorn the teaching of the Apostle Paul who I love dearly and long to meet in heaven. I am part of the Bride of Christ and stand for the truths and teachings of Jesus. I know there maybe some who take offence at this, I would have once, I am not judging hearts, just sharing my journey.
Pete, excellent article, its good to have people on the same page as you, it makes you realise your not a nut. Have you any thoughts about what the ‘hail’ represents?
I know that you may have been struggling with some issues of maybe feeling proud and judging. But don’t go wooley on us Pete, we need the strong language you speak.
In Jesus
Deborah
http://truthinscripture.com/2010/03/05/taking-the-mark-of-the-beast/
This post has my perspective on the MARK OF BEAST. No RFID, it is simply the mark of satan which is walking in the flesh nature and as you say not dying to self.
http://truthinscripture.com/2010/02/03/are-you-dead-yet-i-hope-so/
Pete, i wanted to add a quote I did find this weekend in regards to Baal worship (of which the HRM Messianic groups say its just Christmas). I really believe Baal represents self, one of the gods they did worship and make cakes to was Queen of heaven and Baal, but anyway, there was a quote I found that said “Baal worship is the fruit of a species of teachings about Faith without teaching dying to the flesh with Christ”.
Its completely devilish for us to believe we just believe, and do not have to die.
Also, I started a small study on Buying and selling this weekend. There is a proverb that says “get the truth and sell it not”. If you take this Proverb and apply it to Revelations on the only ones that can buy and sell are those that have the “mark”, then I believe this applies to the Real Messiah,and the other False one being taught by men, making money off of the false one. The real messiah you cannot buy it nor can you sell it (no one wants it).
I could be way off, but i do not believe it has to do with a rfid tag at all. We are marked with His Spirit or we have the mind an mark of the beast.
I had to delete friends left and right on facebook, 160 in this movement. Its complete heresy. I cannot believe they argue with people over pork. I always bring up Romans 14, its very clear this walk is about love.
I understand what they are saying but as I pointed out to a brother yesterday that wanted to argue with me over “the name”, Israel’s idolatry was not about the “sacred name”, it was about becoming their own “god” and following the “gods” of the nations He would have them dispossess, intermixing with them. The spirit convicted me of this this weekend, that I have crossed over Jordan, and I am not to even inquire of these other gods, and that is exactly what they are, another god.
The study he has shown me on Benjamin shows the Sabbath Rest is in His completed works, and now HE works in us. I have been accused of everything under the sun, and its causing me a lot of mental anquish, to the point I begin to wonder if I am the one in error. But i cannot deny what I am seeing past the pages of this Book! There is so much junk out here, and many are friends, I am having to walk away from, its very disheartening.
Melissa, I am very concerned about the Messianic/Hebrew Roots movement. A dear brother that led me tothe truth has gone off the deep end. He actually says the name JESUS is the devil and insists now on only using the Hebrew names. While I see some scripture support for those positions in the books of the Torah, my understanding on who ISRAEL of GOD is, confirms all of those things were a shadow of things to come. I fulfill all of those things when I walk in grace being led by the Holy Spirit. The people that hold fast to this are very strong willed. I have been hesitatant beyond some gentle mentions to confront what I see as grevious errors and legalism. This is on my bookshelf, I am looking at it and hope to write my views soon. I want to make sure I am not being deceived as my brother has been right in virtually all he has taught me in the WORD.
AMEN ! Thank you again for another encouraging post. I am really struggling right now with how to approach others, out of love. I have many friends in the Messianic movement/hebrews roots movement that I am really struggling with. Titus 3 does say that those that want to strive over the law we are to withdraw from, its heresy.
This is becoming such a struggle for me to let people go.
Then I start thinking, “maybe I am being arrogant” or abusive myself, & I don’t want to be. That is one of the reasons I have not started to blog. This walk is so contrary to our flesh, because our flesh is to die, and this death, is not what “churches” teach.
The mark of the beast is also not a physical mark so I do not get involved in any of this end time stuff, it honestly looks like man is working out revelation in his own flesh. (if that makes sense).
Blessings again for another great post~