What Abraham Really Believed
Romans 4:19-20 Without becoming weak in faith Abraham contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God
There is a powerful lesson and hidden meaning buried deep in the story of Abraham that confirms and testifies to what our walk with God is really all about.
The story of Abraham is about an old dying man who is given a promise of a new man coming from his own seed and gaining an inheritance of a new land. My friends, this is exactly our story if we are true children of God. Our “old man” is dying to sin in this body of flesh. From within our own body, a new man will be raised by God and it is this new man who will enter into the promised land and the heavenly city prepared by God. Once you see this in the Scriptures it will blow you away. God has not changed and the Scriptures tell us the same key lessons of life, namely that we must believe God and we must be Born Again to enter His kingdom. That is the story told here in Genesis as confirmed via the New Testament as I hope to show. Like Abraham, our walk begins with believing God. That is true faith.
What Did Abram Believe?
Genesis 15:4 Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “This man will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own body, he shall be your heir.” And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them ” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
As the very next verse shows: Then he believed in the LORD; and God reckoned it to him as righteousness. Abram believed that God was able and was going to raise up one from Abram’s own body and that son would be the heir of the promise. As I will speak to below, the promise was not about possessing a piece of dirt, it was about possessing the eternal heavenly city of God. While God did indeed give Abraham a natural son, called Isaac, the story as told has one of extreme significance to our walk with God today.
Abram had faith. As a man of 87 years old at the time with a wife about the same age, there was no human logic for him to believe what God had spoken. In fact doubt surfaced later and Abram took matters into his own hands, trying to please God as we will see. But still, we are told Abram believed God without any natural or physical evidence. Now that is faith, it is hope in the things not seen in the natural world.
Hebrews 11:1-2 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2For by it the men of old (Abraham, Moses and YES EVEN OUR OLD MAN) gained approval.
Do you believe God? Are you trusting Him fully to bring forth a new man out of the sinful body of death you came into this world with? Abraham trusted God and it is those who do likewise today that will be joint heirs in the Kingdom of God. That is what Jesus meant we He said the famous passage from John 3:16. Just like Abram could not, we cannot raise a new man from the works of our own hands. God must do it all the time. When God first gave Abram the promise, Abram like we often do today, constrained by our carnal minds, try to save ourselves and do acts of religion by our own power and initiative. These are the works that do not save us. Abram did not initially realize that God does it all and that his part was to simply believe and follow God’s instructions.
God Builds His House
Genesis 15:2-3 Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3And Abram said, “Since You have given no offspring to me, one born in my house is my heir.” The teacher that shared this wisdom said about this verse: “this was man’s first recorded attempt at being religious.”
As we learn later, Abram at the urging of a woman (Sarah) does try to take matters into his own hands and acts in his flesh to bring forth the son God promised. When he slept with Hagar and produced Ishmael, this was a work of the flesh. God ultimately blessed Ishmael we are shown in Genesis 21, but this fleshly seed was not part of God’s promise to Abram and would not inherit the promised land. Today we have the same thing going on in our practice of religion. We are not believing God and trusting Him. We have put on forms of godliness and have not died to our flesh and continue to do works of the flesh in the name of God. God uses them for sure but we deny the power of Jesus Christ to raise us anew and build His house when we do not put our full trust in Him.
Unless we believe that God and not us, can birth a new man out of us, we will not be saved. We will not walk the walk if we do not believe this. We cannot do it ourselves, we must put our faith in God. Being religious counts for nothing, these are all dead works. God builds the church. The Lord builds His house. Consider the message the prophet Nathan gave to David from the Lord.
2 Samuel 7:5,12 ‘Thus says the LORD, “Are you the one who should build Me a house to dwell in?…… When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom. This was speaking about both Solomon but more importantly, the LORD JESUS, who would come from David’s seed. Jesus is the builder of the true and living house of God.
We are saved by grace. It is the power of God working IN US to raise up a new creation from within our own body. That is how God builds the church. We must be Born Again. When we are taught we do not have to die to self or that we can come down from the cross we carry and save ourselves, we are not saved. The fallen church does not believe God, instead they believe God a little bit but teaches us to hang onto the flesh and the works of our hands.
We must BELIEVE GOD, and put our full trust in Him, to attain to the promise given to Abraham. Our father Abraham gave us an example but the Jesus coming as a man was the supreme example. I never really understood these words from Romans until I got this understanding.
Romans 9:5-7 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
It is not the descendants of Abraham that are the children of God, it never was or had anything to do with flesh. Flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom of God. We must come out of the seed of Isaac, which means we must be Born Again of our own bodies. The Jews wanted to argue this with Jesus but they lost the argument to the truth.
John 8:39-41 Abraham is our father,” they answered.“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father (the devil) does.”
God must do the saving. We cannot follow the lies of the devil and leave the furnace and go back to the easy life in the world and “work for God”. We must overcome to be purified and raised anew into life led by the Holy Spirit. We must believe God like Abram did, learning from his mistake.
What Was Promised
The promise of God was given to our father Abraham and his sons, Isaac and then Jacob. This wasn’t a promise about a piece of dirt or a pile of rocks called Israel. It was a promise of a new life and resurrection RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW and later an inheritance in heaven, the spiritual city built by God Himself. God told Abraham, Jesus also told us as did the Apostles that we would be living as aliens in a hostile land. This life may be called the land of promise, but the land of promise is not the promise itself. The promise is yet to come in heaven when the Lord returns. The Kingdom of God is not of this world. Paul spoke of pressing on to attain the resurrection and the promise of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Philippians 3:12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
Hebrews 11:13 All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
Attainment of the promise comes at the end of time, we can only see it off in the distance for now. This is our hope to attain it. If we saw it now, it would not be a hope and then our walk would not be based on true faith. The writer of Hebrews tells us what Abraham was looking for as his inheritance for him and his heirs. It was not land, it was a heavenly city.
Hebrews 11:8-10 By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;10for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant
The Sacrifice of Isaac
The story of God calling Abraham to go sacrifice his son Isaac was a foretelling of Jesus coming and applicable to our understanding of our Christian walk. Walking up the mountain, Isaac not knowing what was going on except that they were going to worship God asks the question
Genesis 22:7 Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son, and he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So the two of them walked on together. 7Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”
Notice the covenant references, the two of them walking together, father and son, our Father and us. We must make covenant with God to be in covenant with God. Christ died and now we need to die. We are the sacrifice in this case, we are the Isaac. Abraham offered up to God the new creation that God had brought forth from Abraham’s own body. That is what we are called to do and I am learning more about this everyday. We are supposed to be a living sacrifice.
Matthew 16:25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it
We must be willing to lay down our life for God in order to gain our life in eternity. When we do that out of love and in obedience to the Lord, we become an instrument of sacrifice for the Lord. It is not our life we live anymore, we live for Christ. There is no greater love then to lay down ones life for a friend. Are you a real friend of God?
The First Resurrection
Jesus speaking to the Sadducees about the “resurrection” and their lack of understanding.
Matthew 22:31-32 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.
Later when speaking about the release of Satan from the abyss in the end times, John wrote.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. The first death is when we crucify our flesh and die to self in order to live for Christ. That is the here and now. If we physically die before Christ comes, the death has not power as we will be raised a second time when the Lord comes to take His Saints home with Him..
To attain the promise of Abraham, we must be part of the first resurrection. Just like Jesus died and was raised anew, we must also in our walk. When we die to ourselves. We are resurrected from the dead and given newness of life through the Spirit of God. I cannot fully explain the mystery of all this but I continue to seek wisdom from God. I believe the term “first resurrection” has been totally missed by our religious wise men. Jesus spoke about these two resurrections in John’s gospel.
John 5:25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and NOW IS, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. This first resurrection was already happening, right then in Jesus time. Those that believed in Him and His words and died to their flesh and their worldly lusts were resurrected (raised) into newness of life by the Holy Spirit. They were Born Again. Their second resurrection will come on the Day of the Lord. Jesus goes on to explain the two diverse aspects of the second resurrection.
John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment
We either die to self and are Born Again in this life and follow Christ or we practice sin and die spiritually and we are raised onto judgment on the last day and miss the first resurrection altogether. If we are crucified with Christ we will be raised with Him RIGHT NOW AND RIGHT HERE in Baptism and newness of life. Isn’t that exactly what Paul said here?
Colossians 2:11-12 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also WERE raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. If we are in Christ, the first resurrection is past tense, it is not something in the future. My brothers and sisters, are you seeing this?
Practicing Religion is Not Belief
In closing, I like Paul have not attained to the promise. I have not been perfected but I am working it out with fear and trembling, knowing I must attain it but that God will do it IF I REALLY BELIEVE GOD. I can tell you writing this post and searching these Scriptures has shown me many things I had not seen before and brought to mind areas of faith that were falling short.
I see people perishing, good people who say they believe in God, yet they are not believing God. They don’t believe it is possible for God to raise up a new man from their own body. There is an old saying in my business circles that if you believe something, you are right. You get what you believe. Much of our religion claims to be based on faith, but it it really is based on works. Many are trying to earn their righteousness with all their service and good deeds. Nothing wrong with that if given with a pure heart, but secretly trying to please God by doing them makes them dead works. We need to let God do the saving and come out of false religion.
Romans 4:20-21 He (Abraham) did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He (GOD) was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
We can’t rebirth a new man. We can’t build God’s house. We can’t walk with God in our own power of the flesh. God must perform it. It is by grace that we are saved. Walking with God is what a Christian walk is all about! We must choose to walk up that hill with our father and go to the sacrifice and lay down our life. If we make that choice, God does everything else. Those that are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God and the ones that are of Isaac’s seed.
Let’s look one more time at what Abraham believed and how he acted upon his faith, sacrificing his new creation to the Lord.
Hebrews 11:19 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; 18it was he to whom it was said, “IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED.” 19He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type.
RANDALL
GOOD MORNING AND Psalm 115:15 May you be blessed by the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth. I READ YOUR POST WHERE YOU SAY Gilbert…………….you appear frustrated. BROTHER RANDALL I WOULD BE LYING TO YOU IF I SAID YES , PASIONATE, YES, ANGRY OR FRUSTRARED (NOT ANY MORE) NO AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY, YOU SEE I BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES AND HERE IS WHAT SCRIPRURES TELL ME Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,(PAUL) but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. So our fight is not with our brother Paul “but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” I ALSO KNOW THAT 1 Samuel 16:14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. AND 1 Samuel 16:16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when THE EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD comes upon you, and you will feel better. 1 Samuel 18:10 The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand. SO I BELIEVE YOU CAN SEE WHY IAM NO LONGER DISCOMFORTED BECAUSE IF WE KNOW THESE TRUTHS AND TRULY BELIEVE THEM THAN HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY HATE OUR ENEMIES BUT INSTEAD WE END UP HAVING COMPASION FOR THEM AS I DO FOR OUR BROTHER PAUL BECAUSE WETHER WE OR HE LIKE IT OR NOT WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. BROTHERS AND SISTERS HATE FOR ME TO REVEAL THESE TRUTHS TO THEM BECAUSE THEY PREFER TO HEAR LIES; Isaiah 30:10 They say to the seers, “See no more visions!” and to the prophets, “Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions. AND HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE TOLERATE “ILLUSIONS” Romans 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of NAÏVE people. YOU SEE BROTHER RANDALL GOD CREATED satan Job26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. AND FOR WHAT Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I HAVE CREATED THE WASTER TO DESTROY. APOSTLE PAUL ALSO KNEW THESE TRUTHS. READ THE FOLLOWING, SEE WHAT WE DOING BY CONTINUING TO RESPOND TO OUR BROTHER PAUL;
1 CORINTHIANS 5
1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. BROTHER RANDALL IF WE REALLY LOVE OUR BROTHER PAUL AS HARD AS IT MAY BE WE NEED TO STOP ANSWERING HIS POSTS I KNOW I HAVE ALTOUGH HE STILL SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT ME EVENTUALLY GOD WILL BRING HIM TO HIS SENSES TO CONTINUE THE ENTERTAIN HIM IS TO ALLOWING HIM TO COMMIT FORNICATION WITH CHRISTS BRIDE ….US.
GOD BLESS
GILBERT.
Paul:TAKE HEED Luke14:8-11″When you are invited by someone to a wedding feast,do not take the place of honor, lest someone more distinguished than you may have been invited by him,and he who unvited you both shall come and say to you,’Give place to this man,’ and then in disgrace you proceed to occupy the last place.But when you are invited, go and recline at the last place, so that when the one who has invited you comes, he may say to you,’Friend, move up higher’; then you will have honor in the sight of all who are at the table with you. For everyone who exalts himself shall be humbled, and he who humbles himself shall be exalted.” Humble yourself before you are humbled. Love Mark.
Dear Mark,
It is Good you repented (turned) from your sin. I hope you stay that way.
I live by Faith in Jesus our God and Saviour. Jesus has Saved me from sin and death. That is my Hope.
[Romans 8:24] For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? [Romans 8:25] But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.
Jesus is our Hope
Love and Honor
Dear Emilio,
It is not Good to argue with the Truth of Jesus.
[1 Corinthians 2:16] For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.
That is the mind I share.
Jesus will appear soon
Love and Grace
Dear Randall,
A liar is a liar. That is the Truth.
Jesus has comments to Liars and such” [NAS] [John 8:44] “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Gilbert can be Saved from his sin. He must humble himself before Jesus.
Love the Truth of Jesus
Love and Honesty
Randall, I thought you already quit arguing with Paul, Paul already made up his mind on what he believes. There are many out there claiming to be an apostle of the Lord, here in my country for example. Don’t waste your time arguing with him for it is useless.
Learn from Korah and his followers, they stood against Moses and Aaron.
But follow the example of Joshua and Caleb their hearts were on the promise land and not for their own glory. The thing we must do as well, set our heart on the promise land, the eternal life.
Now Adonijah, whose mother was Haggith, put himself forward and said, “I will be king.” So he got chariots and horses ready, with fifty men to run ahead of him. 1Kg. 1:5
Similarly all those who claim those to be apostles or prophets had put themselves forward.
Paul, Please read my posts.I have confessed my sin in my posts and repented. How can you ever see that which is in your own eye, if you can’t see that which is in mine?I see no profit in draging them up over and over. I’m confident in the blood of Christ. You forgiving me, is not for me. Honestly Paul, some of your posts sound more like Confucius than like “a living apostle of Jesus.” “it is wise not to trouble Jesus”. There is no confidence in the world hating us, if we actively solicit that hate by jamming Jesus constantly. Wake up Paul, the same Jesus that came to you, IS NOT the Jesus working in my life, no matter how much you try to blend the two, they’ll never be one. Your Jesus is treacherously close to ‘once saved always saved.’ Have you overcome? Have you already endured to the end? Are these words of Jesus understood by you?”Rev3:11 Behold, I come quickly:hold that fast which thou hast,that no man take thy crown.– Do you understand that it is possible to lose your crown?, to have your name blotted out of the book of life? If not, beware because you have already arrived.You can’t go wrong, you’re RICH.You got nothing to lose. Where is the fear of God in that? We need no man to teach us, the Holy Spirir guides us into all Truth.–Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not towards thine own understanding. Grace, Mark
GREETINGS AND PEACE BE WITH YOU FROM OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST:
PROVERBS 15:
1) A SOFT ANSWER TURNETH AWAY WRATH: BUT GRIEVOUS WORDS STIR UP ANGER.
2) THE TONGUE OF THE WISE USETH KNOWLEDGE ARIGHT: BUT THE MOUTH OF FOOLS POURETH OUT FOOLISHNESS.
3)THE EYES OF THE LORD ARE IN EVERY PLACE, BEHOLDING THE EVIL AND THE GOOD.
4) A WHOLESOME TONGUE IS A TREE OF LIFE: BUT PERVERSENESS THEREIN IS A BREACH IN THE SPIRIT.
5) A FOOL DESPISETH HIS FATHER’S INSTRUCTION: BUT HE THAT REGARDETH REPROOF IS PRUDENT.
6) IN THE HOUSE OF THE RIGHTEOUS IS MUCH TREASURE: BUT IN THE REVENUES OF THE WICKED IS TROUBLE.
7) THE LIPS OF THE WISE DISPERSE KNOWLEDGE: BUT THE HEART OF THE FOOLISH DOETH NOT SO.
8) THE SACRIFICE OF THE WICKED IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: BUT THE PRAYER OF THE UPRIGHT IS HIS DELIGHT.
9) THE WAY OF THE WICKED IS AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD: BUT HE LOVETH HIM THAT FOLLOWETH AFTER RIGHTEOUSNESS.
10) CORRECTION IS GRIEVOUS UNTO HIM THAT FORSAKETH THE WAY: AND HE THAT HATETH PROOF SHALL DIE.
11) HELL AND DESTRUCTION ARE BEFORE THE LORD: HOW MUCH MORE THEN THE HEARTS OF THE CHILDREN OF MEN.
12) A SCORNER LOVETH NOT ONE THAT REPROVETH HIM: NEITHER WILL HE GO UNTO THE WISE.
13) A MERRY HEART MAKETH A CHEERFUL COUNTENANCE: BUT BY SORROW OF THE HEART THE SPIRIT IS BROKEN.
14) THE HEART OF HIM THAT HATH UNDERSTANDING SEEKETH KNOWLEDGE: BUT THE MOUTH OF FOOLS FEEDETH ON FOOLISHNESS.
15) ALL THE DAYS OF THE AFFLICTED ARE EVIL: BUT HE THAT IS OF A MERRY HEART HATH A CONTINUAL FEAST.
16) BETTER IS A LITTLE WITH THE FEAR OF THE LORD THAN GREAT TREASURE AND TROUBLE THEREWITH.
17) BETTER IS A DINNER OF HERBS WHERE LOVE IS, THAN A STALLED OX AND HATRED THEREWITH.
18) A WRATHFUL MAN STIRRETH UP STRIFE: BUT HE THAT IS SLOW TO ANGER APPEASETH STRIFE.
19) THE WAY OF THE SLOTHFUL MAN IS AS AN HEDGE OF THORNS: BUT THE WAY OF THE RIGHTEOUS IS MADE PLAIN.
20) A WISE SON MAKETH A GLAD FATHER: BUT A FOOLISH MAN DESPISETH HIS MOTHER.
21) FOLLY IS JOY TO HIM THAT IS DESTITUTE OF WISDOM: BUT A MAN OF UNDERSTANDING WALKETH UPRIGHTLY.
22) WITHOUT COUNSEL PURPOSES ARE DISAPPOINTED: BUT IN THE MULTITUDE OF COUNSELLORS THEY ARE ESTABLISHED.
23) A MAN HATH JOY BY THE ANSWER OF HIS MOUTH: AND A WORD SPOKEN IN DUE SEASON, HOW GOOD IS IT!
24)THE WAY OF LIFE IS ABOVE TO THE WISE, THAT HE MAY DEPART FROM HELL BENEATH.
25) THE LORD WILL DESTROY THE HOUSE OF THE PROUD: BUT HE WILL ESTABLISH THE BORDER OF THE WIDOW.
26) THE THOUGHTS OF THE WICKED ARE AN ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: BUT THE WORDS OF THE PURE ARE PLEASANT WORDS.
27) HE THAT IS GREEDY OF GAIN TROUBLETH HIS OWN HOUSE; BUT HE THAT HATETH GIFTS SHALL LIVE.
28) THE HEART OF THE RIGHTEOUS STUDIETH TO ANSWER: BUT THE MOUTH OF THE WICKED POURETH OUT EVIL THINGS.
29) THE LORD IS FAR FROM THE WICKED: BUT HE HEARETH THE PRAYER OF THE RIGHTEOUS.
30) THE LIGHT OF THE EYES REJOICETH THE HEART: AND A GOOD REPORT MAKETH THE BONES FAT. (31) THE EAR THAT HEARETH THE REPROOF OF LIFE ABIDETH AMONG THE WISE. (32) HE THAT REFUSETH INSTRUCTION DESPISETH HIS OWN SOUL: BUT HE THAT HEARETH REPROOF GETTETH UNDERSTANDING. (33) THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE INSTRUCTION OF WISDOM; AND BEFORE HONOUR IS HUMILITY.
GOD BLESS, WITH LOVE IN CHRIST JESUS
@paul. Paul, if you really are an apostle………..then you would have an apostels heart.
Can you honestly say at this moment………..that you Love Gilbert……….when you say Jesus is good and you a Liar………….how is that going to ever win anybody. Not that Gilbert is in error, but how can you honestly believe that. And since Gilbert and I are just lil ones………….how is it I know this………….and you cannot nor will repent of this. Even if you were right………………you would never win Him by attacking him like this. And i aint saying you are right. I am just trying to help you………..and God has convicted me of this very thing. Even though i was speaking truth to you that one time……………….i used words just like you just did to Gilbert………….did that bring you a desrie to hear me…………….no it only made you use harder words agaisnt me.
But GOd is merciful………..and gave me repentance. And now i pray the same for you.
@barbara. Be at peace. and know you are loved.
Pray for me and i shall for you. There is a time for speaking and a time to hold our peace.
We have done what we were led to do ……………..just pray for him.
Its like you once told me……………….dont let this steal your peace. Just follow Christ, read sound doctrine and take heed unto your body. And pray for me to do likewise at all times.
Christ is our salvation……………..and the only strength we have. Amen.
@Paul………..they too were continously in sound doctrine. Yes them Holy scriptures, which make one wise unto salvation through faith in Christ.
@mark……..be blessed…………….all God loves He chastens and scourges every son or daugter he recieves………….judgment begins at the House ofGod.
But sin not. For if we are corrected when we have done wrong and still take it patientely, what does this profit us…………….BUt if we are chastened for doing good………..and we take that patiently………then blessed we are.
Remember Mark……..God does not give us a spirit of fear, but of a sound mind.
What is it you believe you are being chastend for………….? Remember Job was chastened and took it patiently…………and the end reward was greater. Thus too for us…………..Eternal life.
But sin no more.
Dear Barb,
Jesus did not do anything “magically” as you say. What Jesus did on the Cross for us was a Real Work, and what Jesus did is ALL you need.
YOU should be dead to SELF, YOU should deny the sinful flesh, YOU should deny the world of sin and death. Devils should have NO priority in your life.
Jesus is to be the First and the Last in YOUR Life.
Know that Jesus IS the LORD of Glory. no one can make Jesus LORD, He alone IS LORD God Almighty.
Jesus is to be Praised
Love and Truth
IT was the same for me Paul…………………….By the Spirit of God was i drawn to christ.
And a love of reading what God said afore, for our learning in the written words of God, was placed upon my heart. And praise the Lord…………………those scriptures do make me wise unto salvation through faith in Christ. Gilbert…………….you appear frustrated.
Just let it all Go. I only warn……………and through correction , have been humbled .
So now i warn…………………the rest is up to them. IT will consume your peace , it has mine in the past……………but i have heard and learned of God…………..many resist truth. By our love for them we warn them. Thus no blood upon our hands. My prayer is that any who do err, repent quick……………forgive quick…………..lest satan get an advantage on us. Be blessed Gilbert.
Let not the sun go down……….
Be blessed Gilbert…………we are but humble servants which do what is commanded of us.
As Christ told us . This will steal your peace and consume you. And we all, must not strive, nor bite and devour………..lest we be consumed one of the other. We pray for paul, and all of us.
And thanks for writing me back. Be blessed.
To all lambs………………..Praise God the Father of our Lord and savoir Christ.
The King of kings and Lord of lords. Every knee shall bow , every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord………….all to the glory of the Father. @ gilbert. ALways warn……….love warns………..but then let it go if they hear not. One plants, another waters and these are one. Only GOd can give the increase…………thus pray the others heart be opened unto the Spirit , to take heed.
Pray for them, warn them , love them…………..and for this ye shall be hated of all men, nations etc.
But may some hear………..and come to Christ. We must stand in Christ, we have a war coming the likes of which we have never seen……………but be of good cheer, and have no fear.
For greater is He within us………….than he that is in the World. Jesus …………..overcame the world……………..and our faith in Him is the prize, the victory , oh…………..many persecutions are coming for all who live Godly in Christ…………….but not all the sufferings combined can even touch the light………….the Glory which shall be revealed in HIS DAY. Eternal life.
This life ………..but a vapour, and no man knows his final hour…………..thus be continually ready, be always looking, and keep your hearts , all affections above in Christ. The end of this age is nigh uppon us…………..so what i say to one of you i say to all of us……………WATCH. Lest that day overtake one as a thief in the night. Be ready, and be viligant …………..the Devil does not slow down as the end approaches……………..he only speeds up to take all he can captive at his will.
By the ppower of Christ , freely given us of GOd…………fight the good fight, run the course……….and never look back. Read sound doctrine, and take heed unto those bodies……..the adversary roams about. Spritual wickedness if high places………..in dark rulers of this world……………….and soon GREAT DEARTH comes for all in Christ. But we fear not man whose breath is in His nostrils…………we fear only the one who gave man that breath……..GOD.
For all may be His creation………….for all was created by Him, all for His purpose, will…………that all glory be to Him. So all may be His creation……………but only those in Christ , who endure unto the end…………………….are SONS and Daughters. Now leap for joy……………Jesus is KING>
Dear Mark,
You say you are coming to know the “lord”. That is Good. I know the LORD Jesus very well. The old mark is Dead don’t try to bring him back to life. Jesus has forgiven you ALL your sin. I forgive you, your sin against me. What is my forgiveness toward you comparerd to the forgiveness of Jesus our God and Saviour??? Our Hope is Eternal Life with Jesus in a Real body of flesh. No sinner with receive eternal Life. I know you are capable of understanding this Truth. It is the matter of YOU receiving this Knowledge. It will help you in the work that Jesus has before you.
Do you think Jesus is disciplining you for some reason? What would that be for?
It is Wise not to trouble Jesus, and to Obey His Word to you.
Jesus is our Love
Love and Unity
Dear Church,N
“NO ATEHEIST, PAGAN, UNBELEIVER, IS CAPABLE OF COMING TO CHRIST UNLESS THEY (AS WE DID ALSO) HEAR THE WORD OF GOD” Referring to the Bible as being the “Word of God”. This is absolutely not True. Think about the Apostle Saul, when he was on that road and a Great Light shown. It was not a Bible verse that through him off his high horse. Jesus stood before him.
For me, I was going about my sinful business many years ago, when Jesus came to me and asked me 2 questions. I did not know much of anything of the Bible. No person spoke any Bible verse to me, or was I reading a Bible. Jesus Himself came to me. The same Jesus who is working in your lives.
I now know the Bible very well and its meanings. Most often I have to use the Bible to defend the Word of Jesus against, Bible thumpers or Bible worshippers.
Follow Jesus the 1 True God Almighty
Love and Enlightenment
Gilbert,
Jesus is Good and you are a Liar.
Jesus is the Most HIgh God Almighty, Blessed be the name of JESUS.
Love and do Good
Dear Randall,
WILL you live your words : “Read the BIBLE. Look how the early church lived and praticed……….and stray not a bit from it.”
[Acts 2:42] They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
I invite you to NY. so you can fellowship with Living Apostles.
Be Humble as Jesus is Humble
Love and Obedience
Paul
yesterday you were “UNCORRUPTED” AND TONIGHT YOU ARE JESUS…? WHICH JESUS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CAUSE THE JESUS I KNOW WAS HUMBLE NOT ARROGANT IN FACT HERE ARE HIS WORDS MARK 1O;18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me GOOD? there is none GOOD but one, that is, God. BUT OF COURSE THIS WORDS DO NOT MEAN NOTHING TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DO NOT BELEIVE ALL THAT THE BIBLE SAYS RIGHT…? MY FRIEND IS BEST YOU HUMBLE YOURSELF, BECAUSE HEBREWS 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. MAYBE ONE PERSON CAN BE WRONG BUT THERE SEEM TO BE A PATTERN WITH YOUR ACTIONS I TRULY BELEIVE GOD IS WARNING YOU, WAKE UP.
GILBERT
P.S. AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON LINE ANYWAY? DID YOU REPENT FOR YOUR BLASPHEMIES!? YOUR ARROGANCE, YOUR INCONSIDERATION ETC…
Dear Friends of Jesus,
[Ezekiel 36:26] “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
[2 Corinthians 5:17] Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Before you were born-anew your heart was evil or wicked, now you have the heart of Jesus’ Holy Spirit in you.
Sin is evil or bad. It is NOT of Jesus the True Chirst and God.
Jesus is alive and well
Love and Patience
Dear Randall,
Are you really scared to death about me? The fact that I am a living Apostle of Jesus unlike the dead Apostle Saul bothers you. It should not. Jesus has me here for your benifet. There are many weak saints in the Church and you should help those people along.
Jesus honors His Word
Love and Peace
Gilbert……………..be blessed. And Praise the Lord daily.
For if it were not for his continued Grace upon us………………we would be like those who go down to the Pit. For it is as Paul the Apostle once said………………..I labored more abundantely than they all………YET NOT I but the grace of God ………..
Gilbert………tis the Grace of GOd, which teaches us……………..to deny ungodliness and live soberly and righteously in this evil world. Tis why we must be obediant unto the Spirit……..and live…………….for it we walk after the flesh………………..we die. Thus by the Power of christ, the spirit within we crucify the deeds of the flesh. The law is spiritual…………….for God has shed his love by Grace, by the Holy Spirit upon our hearts…………..and Love fullfills the law.
The heart of man is evil from his youth up. Our Lord knows this……………..and the only goodness we have is of Him. By the power of the Spirit within. Many times in days before the first coming of Christ…………………Almighty God warned them…………….circumsize your hearts, your ears.
The spirit of Christ which was in the prophets of old……………warned, and all told of His coming.
Thus the prophets too were shown Christ, and His Spirit was within them.
Yet the Jews worshipped Him in ignorance………………for they saw it by the letter ………..the letter of self righteousness………..Yet had they eyes to see……………….they would have seen the Just live by faith. That Abraham……………walked by faith………….and he kept the law within his heart.
For it even says…………..in Genesis………….Abraham kept all the law……………..Yet the law on stone was not engraven till 430 years later. To understand the law is spiritual……….and that we are justified only by Christ……….that we are carnal sold under sin. That in all things GOd be glorified. Yes…………the whole meaning of life can be found in the scriptures………….
All things were created for His good purpose and will………..and that as Christ done ………all is to the Glory of the Father. Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess…….that Jesus is Lord………..all to the Glory of the Father. Christ is the glory of God.
And what does our God desrie……………….that we walk humbly with Him all the days of our LIfe.
Christ did not change the law………………..He fullfilled the law. And we do not make void the law…………we magnify the law . By love. The heart of man is evil ……………….and our Lord knows this………Thus we know…………….that this is where evil begins……………and thus the law of thou shall not commit adultery now becomes thou shall not even look upon a woman to lust.
Thou shalt not kill becomes thou shall not hate they brother. For if we kill the lusts and affections of our own heart……….by Gods love, by the power of the Holy spirit………..it can never be acted out.
For the evil begins within…………………and if we kill it quick it can never be born.
No evil action , no murder, no theft……….no adultery etc……………….would never have been acted out…………..if it had been killed by the spirit……………….quick. For in our flesh dwells no good thing…………our carnal nature…………is enmity with God…………it cannot even be recieve the things of the spirit. Thus as well……………………ALL is by Grace. Now that oughtta make all sing………and humble us as lil children. Because………………the truth is we only know as we ought and only by Grace. So you see……….how could we ever glory in anything, or boast in it. as though it were not recieved. We cant. Tis a gift……………..and that by Grace. Now leap high Gilbert……………..and sing unto the Lord. For truly it is by his mercies and compassions we are not but comsnumed away. Only God is good. Only GOd is righteous, Only GOd is worthy, and only GOd is Just………………Now may we thank Him for His grace , that in christ Jesus we are MADE< called, and Counted all the above. See…………tis why my Joy is the SALVATION of GOd. And the joy of the Lord is my strength. OH yes……………all is a Gift. Now……..work out thy salvation with fear and tremlbing……………..endure unto the end…………..be obediant unto the Spirit……………and Live we shall…………………for the Prize of Christ………….is the treasrue to be won………….Eternal life…………..Amen.
Dear those that Love Jesus,
Jesus the True Christ and God was NOT born in sin, or did He ever sin.
The following Bible verse was spoken by David: [NAS] [Psalms 51:5] Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Know the Truth of Almghty Jesus
Love and Understanding
Dear Randall,
Your words are lies “……………but you have a hardend heart.” referring to me.
Jesus does not Lie.
Love and Truth
BROTHER RANDALL
GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR SINCERE EFFORTS AND YOUR UPLIFTING WORDS. I TELL YOU THE TRUTH I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE PATIENCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE IN YOUR POSTS HERE MAY GOD CONTINUE TO KEEP YOU BLESS AND KEEP YOU STRONG. NOW ABOUT YOUR QUESTION THIS MORNING RANDALL, THAT IF I HAD SAID THAT CHRIST SINNED I TRULY BELIEVE THAT BASE ON MY POSTS YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE FOOLISH OF ME TO SAY SUCH BLASPHEMY AS ALWAYS I WILL ALWAYS USE SCRIPTURE TO SPEAK WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORK OF GOD WHAT I DID YESTERDAY I QUOTED TO PAUL PSALM 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. AND TOLD HIM THAT, THAT IS HOW CHRIST WAS BORN ALSO “IN SIN” NOT THROUGH HIS ACTIONS BUT THROUGH HIS BIRTH. I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE RANDALL. SO NO I HAVE NOTHING TO REPENT OF IN RESPECT TO MY STATEMENT ABOUT CHRIST YESTERDAY. THOUGH I DID HAVE TO REPENT FOR MY ANGER TOWARDS PAUL YESTERDAY BUT GOD IS GOOD LAMENTATIONS 3: 22 It is of the LORD’S mercies that we are NOT consumed, because his compassions fail not. 23They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness. 24The LORD is my portion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him. …..SO TODAY I WOKE UP, NEW AND REFRESH.
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER RANDALL
GILBERT
I am encouraged and wanted to share something with you all……………but first i had to remind us all…………….so i did.
But heres what i want to share………………………
Something wonderful shall be seen. Its in prophecy, in the written words of our Lord and Savoir.
And i want to share this to give us even more hope and Joy in our Savoir.
One day we shall see this prophecy which the early church hungered for……….
One day for those who live to see it………….
And i want you all to know that this lifts me up every day…………….when all i see is evil…………..i know this prophecy which the Lord spoke shall come to pass………..and it gives me joy.
I know evil has an end. I know i shall not always suffer………….and this gives me joy, and rejoicing in the Lord right now……………………and the hope is………………….this great Joy in my heart………this love is ……………..OF HIS APPEARING >…………Praise teh Lord……………….Behold He comes quickly…………………And one day i shall be free of this body of death………………..BY CHRIST. Tis why i am so joyful. All i have to do………….is be reminded of His coming…………and all tears………….all suffering……………just fades away.
Yes………………..Even so COME LORD JESUS>
For in that day……………………the dead in Christ shall rise………….and those who remain shall be changed…………….and caught up together in the clouds with Christ.
So labor………………..have works worthy of repentacne……………..take heed unto these bodies and unto sound doctrine………..in doing this we shall save both ourselves and them which hear us………….and shall be gathered unto Him………..forever FREE.
So walk as faithful stewards of the grace given us freely in Christ………..and know………..that no sufffering here, will ever be worthy to even be compared to the GLORY which shall be revealed in that day…………HIS DAY…………………PRaise the Lord. Now that is hope. It may be unseen at the moment…………….BUT WE WAIT FOR THIS HOPE. FOr Hope that is seen is not hope, for what a man sees how can he hope for…………BUT WE WAIT……………..oh yes…………We wait.
AMEN> It is not as though we have attained …………….but we do not look backwards…….
For the end of our faith is salvation. YEs……………………Come Lord Jesus.
Praise the Lord………….this darkned world is not me Home. My LIGHT by which i see……CHRIST. Now that ought to make er body …………SING < SING < DANCE AND LEAP FOR JOY. PRaise the Lord. Amen.
I am learning everyday by Grace…………….This is why i asked you Paul, are you sure you didnt misunderstand Gilbert. Instead of assuming one was right or wrong. I asked. Go back and read it.
Those of the Body of Christ learn one from another. But i cannot, nor will hear , nor grow with………..any who oppose the sound doctrine of what has already been written. I will not.
And i have no fear in saying this. We must go back and keep the true faith which once was delivered unto those who had the MORE sure word of prophecy , and take heed that we stray not from this foundation. For their foundation was Christ……….and all their teachings came forth of Him, and they warned us all……………the time would come when they would no longer endure sound doctrine. These be the days of Evil. Now let us fight the true fight of faith.
And never once speak anything contrary to what was first delivered unto the Saints of Old, those who were with Him, and had waited on His promise of the Holy Spirit. Which indeed gives us all truth. But ……….if the TRUTH you are given contradicts what they spoke, what Christ said, what the scriptures say……………..then it aint truth…………..just something false that sounded like it is………….to lead us from the truth. Test all…………………..against sound doctrine. ALL.
For thefalling away………..only worsenes. any pride filled man………….will say WE have the more sure word of prophecy…………..YEt PETER told the church they had the more sure word of prophecy and that they would be wise to hearken unto it.
To all we must constantly check ourself…………lest we wreck ourself. Shipwrecked.
Pride kills…………and this i warn to ALL of us. Be Humble lil children…………..i say this to US ALL……..ME, yall , and whoerver else has ears to hear. CONSIDER THYSELF……….lest thou also be tempted. I am going to take heed unto what they said………..what the Holy Spiirit says………and the Spirit agrees with WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN. I just love How our Lord said………..IT IS WRITTEN. OR WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN HOW DOES IT ReAD>
Be blessed but we must check ourself………..lest we wreck ourself. Shipwrecked faiht…………is death. And may the light of Christ shine for all to see. Be blessed.
Now he that plants and he that waters are one; and every man shall recieve his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God; You are God’s Husbandry, you are Gods building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another builds thereon. BUT LET EVERY MAN TAKE HEED HOW HE BUILDS THEREON.
People steer clear of any………..who speak contrary to sound doctrine. Steer clear of them.
This is the falling away. The times and days when many no longer endure SOUND DOCTRINE.
Read the BIBLE. Look how the early church lived and praticed……….and stray not a bit from it.
PRIDE comes before a fall.
Look to yourselves , that you lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we recieve a full reward. Whosoever transgresses, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, HAS NOT GOD. Hethat abides in the doctrine of Christ has BOTH the Father and the Son.
Read the psalms…………….we ought always ask God for direction, guidance, understanding , wisdom.
Look what King David said………….Search me O God, and know my heart; try me, and know my thoughts… And see if there by any WICKED way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
Pride destroys …………..
Thy word O God have i hid in my heart………..that i might not sin against thee.
And by all means , fight , fight the fight of faith. Kill…………crucify the flesh.
Remember , even if a younger than thee approaches thee…………………Hear Him.
Job was an elder ………………and he did not say unto Elihu…. I am an elder………i will not listen to you . Nor did David tell nathan……………I am King …………. i will not hear you.
No………..they BOTH repented instead. Pride kills. And i fear for one on this site.
But i am not going to keep explaining over and over again to them. If they dont hear………….i am still cleared of their blood………for i warned them in love to repent.
I have both seen and witness Pete repent when He was in error. I have repented when i am and apologized. I can see humblness in Mark. Gilbert…………appears to know the word……..and i dont yet know him as well ………Sandra……………….she apologizes when she has been in error on behavoir. I have seen Barbara apologize when she got upset. Bill i am seeing humblness in.
And i cant remember all peoples. But one thing , i can see in One of us here…………Pride.
How………………when one says………………..thinks they understand more than or better than the Apostle Paul………..or wont hear those who have not BEEN in ministry as long as they. THAT IS PRIDE. And they wont repent of it. THey refuse to. This scares me to death for you Paul. I am not here to attack you. But 2 things in Gilberts response you have told me as well.
About my five lil years in ministry and what you have said about the bible.
Paul i beg you………..examine yourself………Go back to reading the word , trusting in God, and what has been written. ALL scripture is given…………ALL ……………by GOD. I have always prayed God……….if i be in error always correct me, or send one to correct me.
And i dont care if they are a one day old christain…………..I WILL HEAR THEM.
Pride kills…………and its SIN. I have had those who are not as learned as I in the written word……………..correct me in my actions or how i approached. And i by Grace………HEARD THEM and repented. For i know truth………………i only know as God gives me to know.
And though i have a love reading the written word, i do not know it all. God does……….and has always been faithful to send one in my path………or convict me in spirit…………..We would be wise to examine ourselves daily. Pride kills. MEEKNESS is essential. And i myself have been in error on this……………and repented by Gods mercy and Grace. I apologized even to you Paul.
Yet never once have you repented for saying i have anti christ spirit………or when you called me a LIAR. Why is this Paul……………..Again i am not here to attack you……….and you are forgiven for any words you called me. I forgave you long ago in Christs name. I only bring it up………to try and help you see……….you have done the same to me………yet never have i seen sorrow in you……….WHy is this? Paul……….i love you……………but you have a hardend heart.
I pray you hear. And that we all grow in the unity of the Faith. Paul………….its a newe day………….let s all begin anew in Christ…………..and walk in Love.
.
Brother Paul
What do these next Scriptures mean to you; Exodus 20:16 “You shall not give FALSE testimony against your neighbor. THIS YOU DID AND I WILL PROVE, BUT FIRST LETS CONTINUE; Leviticus 19:18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD. 1 John 4:21 And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must ALSO love his brother. AND HERE IS A VERY CRITICAL ONE; Luke 6:27 “But I tell you who hear me: LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you, AND SO I WILL ASK YOU Brother Paul JUST AS CHRIST ASKED NICODEMOUS John 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you NOT understand these things? I ASK; BROTHER PAUL YOU BOAST YOU HAVE TAUGHT FOR 30 YEARS AND YOU DON’T KNOW THESE THINGS…? YOU EVEN BE-LITTLE ME FOR ONLY BEING STUDYING THE WORD OF GOD 4 YEARS ON MY OWN AND WHEN I TOLD YOU THAT IT ONLY TOOK APOSTLE PAUL DAYS TO LEARN THE TRUTH —Acts 9: 17So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18And IMMEDIATELY something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19and taking food, he was strengthened.For some days he was with the disciples at Damascus. 20And IMMEDIATELY (NOT 30 YEARS LATER) he proclaimed Jesus in the synagogues, saying, “He is the Son of God.” YOU SAID YEA BUT APOSTLE PAUL DIDN’T KNOW EVERYTHING, I KNEW THAN I WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE, AND I TOLD YOU THAT YOU AND I WERE TOTALLY NOT ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES AND YOU DO NOT. YOUR WORDS “YOU CAN’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE BIBLE SAY” WHEN YOU SAID THIS IF YOU REMEMBER I TRIED TO EXCUSE MYSELF AND TOLD YOU IM GONNA HANG UP NOW BUT YOU KEPT TALKING AND YES WE BECAME HEATED UP AND SHOUTED AT EACHOTHER THIS YOU DID NOT SAY. YOU ALSO DID NOT SAY HOW YOU CLAIM TO BE YOUR WORDS “UNCORRUPTED” BECAUSE I TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE ALL CORRUPTED AS LONG AS WE ARE FLESH AND BLOOD PAUL… IS WHY WE CAN NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND IS WHY EVEN JESUS CHRIST HAD TO DIE. YOU SAYING YOU ARE NOT CORRUPTED THAN (OBVIOUSLY) YOU ARE MAKING YOUR SELF MORE RIGHTEOUS THAN CHRIST. I COMMANDED YOU YESTERDAY TO STOP TEACHING AND TO REPENT FOR YOUR ARROGANCE AND YOUR BOASTING BUT I SEEN TODAY YOU DID NOT LISTEN AND INSTEAD DECIDED IT WAS BEST TO ATTACK ME BY TRYING THE ASSESINATE THE CHARACTER WHICH THE WORD OF GOD HAS MOLDED FOR NOW ALMOST 4 YEARS ON MY OWN AND 12 YEARS AS A PENTECOST. YOU SAID I SAID JESUS CHRIST CREATED THE HARTLOT CHURCH AND WHAT I REALLY SAID IS THAT CHRIST CREATED —ALL THINGS—- THAT IS SOUND DOCTRINE John 1:3 Through him ALL THINGS were made; without him NOTHING was made that WAS made. YOU SAY THAT I SAY THAT THE HARTLOT CHURCH IS GOOD AND WHAT I SAY (AGAIN SOUND DOCTRINE) IS; Galatians 3:24 Wherefore THE LAW (OF MOSES) WAS, OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, that we might be justified by faith. —NO ATEHEIST, PAGAN, UNBELEIVER, IS CAPABLE OF COMING TO CHRIST UNLESS THEY (AS WE DID ALSO) HEAR THE WORD OF GOD. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day. IF NOT HOW ELSE WOUL; Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. —MAKE ANY SENSE…? HOW WOULD THIS SCRIPTURE ALSO MAKE ANY SENSE WHERE GOD TELLS US; Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER my people, that you be NOT partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. WE WERE BORN ENEMIES OF GOD IT TAKES GOD TO DRAW US TO CHRIST. SO SOMEWHERE SOME HOW YOU HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT CHRIST SO ONCE AGAIN; Galatians 3:24 Wherefore THE LAW (OF MOSES) WAS our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. YOU SAID I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ‘FREE WILL’ HERE, YOU TOLD THE TRUTH BECAUSE I DID NOT BELIEVE IN FREE WILL YESTERDAY AND I STILL DO NOT TODAY. I TOLD YOU THAT WE DO HAVE A WILL BUT THAT IS ANYTHING BUT FREE AND THAT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS FREEWILL IS THE GOD. BUT DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT HERE ARE SOME SCRIPTURES TO BACK UP MY CLAIM PLEASE READ CAREFULLY; Proverbs 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps. Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in a man’s heart, but it is the LORD’s purpose that prevails. Jeremiah 10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man’s life is NOT his own; it is NOT for man to direct his steps. Proverbs 20:24 A man’s steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way? YOU THEN TOLD ME THAT WE LIVE BY FAITH SO WHERE IS YOUR FREE WILL…? IS NOT FAITH A GIFT? Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the gift of God: SO IS IT A FREEWILL OR IS IT A GIFT FROM GOD HERE IS MY ANSWER; Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, LET GOD BR TRUE, BUT EVERY MAN A LIAR; (THIS INCLUDES YOU “UNCORRUPTED” PAUL) as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
NEED TO GO DO SOMETHINGS FOR NOW BUT WILL FINISH WITH THE QUESTIONS. AND I WILL TELL YOU ONCE AGAIN PAUL DO NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH NO MORE TILL YOU REPENT OF ALL THE FALSE DOCTRINES YOU ARE TEACHING.
PEACE…
Faith does not start with talk. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Dear Paul, Peace and the knowledge of the Truth to us all.I venture these words of my heart and mind at the risk of offending, but with the hope of enlightening. I open myself up to all here, for rebuke/reproof with the sound counsel of the Word of God. Knowing that I see the speck in others, much better than I can see the log in my own, why would I possibly not desire this fleshly uncomfortable,spiritual profit and washing? I would like to share with you what I “heard” you say in response to my asking for forgiveness. I heard you say ‘I would have to be an evil person or a devil to have attacked you and that you can discern those born of Jesus and therefore I had not sinned.’ Paul this Lord I’m following shows me my heart. The parts He reveals that need to go are ugly and uncomfortable. Although I can’t honestly say I enjoy this discipline, when it’s complete there’s a joy, a confidience and a peace in it. In essence you are telling me “this Jesus I know says surely you have not sinned, go your way in peace” Paul, I don’t trust your Jesus. If I was you, I’d question Him also.I have to stand firm with this Lord I’m knowing and comming to know.These words are in concern and love. I’m troubled with your words and have been since the first day we talked on the phone. Forgive my slowness to see and hear, but know that the Lord is faithful to reveal. It just takes me awhile, and in this also I’m taught.Milton’s teachings are sound, based in the Word of God. Profit from the Holy Spirit speaking in the words you hear him speaking. You are on my mind and in my heart and I will continue to pray that you “enter in” as a child. Christ’s grace.
Brother Paul
iam going to give you an opportunity to take back all these false accusations you made here about me I command you to repent. i am going to come back and answer brother’s randall questions if by then you have not corrected what you said here about me Iam going to expose you. Randall im sorry i have no time to answer your questions right now but you read my posts and see if iwhat Paul said about me seems truth
GOD BLESS
Gilbert
Paul I don’t think I’ve run into anyone more spiritually arrogant than you. That you don’t see yourself that way is just evidence that you are bound in your own flesh by the belief that all one has to do to be saved is believe with the mind and the rest is done magically by this jesus you say you walk with.
To die to self is our responsibility and just means we need to deny the flesh – deny the world – and deny the devil their priority in our lives before Christ, something so necessary to us in order that we can be transformed into His image. Turning your life over to Christ, and making Him Lord of your life, is just the first step in being sanctified. The rest is that “race to be won” and sits right on top of that narrow road that must be walked. All of it then has to do with getting the mind renewed in order to understand the deeper things of the spirit. I really don’t think you’ve done that yet Paul, and I question the fact that you claim this relationship with a Christ that so resembles that fake, user friendly one walking about the world right now looking for souls to devour.
Dear Mark,
You may phone me again and we can clear up any matter. I will respond to your posts now. Typing a response may not be as clear as talking to you. Your stating: “being put to death in me.” in reguard to your “old man” or “man of sin” is not a Good confession. Jesus put to death your old man. Jesus lives in you now by way of His Holy Spirit. Faith starts with talk and ends with action. Know that Jesus forgave ALL your sin.
As far as your statement: “Dear Paul, I need to ask you to forgive my assault.” I do not see you assaulting me. I forgive you if you think you did something against me. I do not look back to see if anybody is assulting me. I am on the move forward with Jesus.
I understand exactly what you say to me and where you are in your walk with Jesus. I do not comment on everything a person says here, because some here are not prepared to receive what I can bring to them.
I have great hope for you Mark. With you it is about using the Gifts that Jesus has given you for His Glory. YOU have the normal amount of holding back from commiting everything to Jesus. Don’t believe the devils that want to tell you it is sin that is plaguing you. Jesus washed away ALL your sin. Jesus has an open door for you. You must decide to walk through or not. Your Life is hidden with Jesus now. Do what Good you can.
I will cast off any demons that are bothering you, IF you allow me to.
Our phone numbers are the same: 845-832-3223 or cell 203-858-8534
Jesus is ALL Powerful
Love and Forgiveness
Mark………………….what were your questions? Maybe Paul didnt read them.
Be blessed. Let us walk in Love . Why dont we just read what has been written.
Then when any thought pops in our head……………..we have knowledge of truth and can either dismiss it ………………….or accept it . These doctrines…………do make one wise unto salvation through faith in Christ. Bill……………be blessed as well.
WE love you Bill. And all others.
What a blessing Sandra and i had this evening , just praying, reading sound doctrine. , an occasional dance unto the Lord. Such wonderful beauty , such peace, when all one desires is God…………………………Be Looking………………He shall come!!!!!
What hope and joy in the Lord. In his wonderful salvation. Blessed Be His Holy Name.
God cannot be tempted……………..this is why the Word became sinful flesh…………..because only He could overcome all sin…………………so we could have life in Him.
Be blessed lambs. He was tempted in all points…………….the flesh………………..yet without sin.
Read Hebrews……………….read romans 8. Tis blasphemy if one says Christ sinned. Blasphemy.
I didnt hear the conversation……………………..but it aint like Paul to lie either.
Did you misunderstand him Paul…………….or did he come outright and actually say Christ sinned.
People………….this is why i say seek God with the whole heart……………….read sound doctrine…………and stop listening to preachers who teach contrary. Mans understanding is void.
We can only recieve truth from God…………….and the scriptures will always confirm what is given.
Gilbert…………..if you did say this………………its not too late to repent of it.
Paul, You’ve either missed or ignored my last three or four questions. They are in my posts to you since yesterday.Have I offended you? Why haven’t you responded to my inquires?
Christ was made in the likeness of sinful flesh……………..but he never sinned……….not once.
He became sin for us. And again i am led to say……….once saved always saved is not truth.
Yes we are saved only by Christ…………….only by Gods grace, by his goodness.
But we had better continue in His goodness…………..otherwise we be cut off.GOD DESIRES OBEDIANCE> So we must be obediant unto the spirit of Grace. Not the carnal flesh……..lest we die.
Gilbert……………….give me a resounding amen and all others as well.
Dear Mark,
Ask and you shall receive.
Jesus is to be Trusted
Love and Faith
Paul, You said to ask you any thing. ?
Dear Friends of Jesus,
Gilbert does not have sound doctrine. He thinks Jesus was born with sin, because of the following Bible verse. [Psalms 51:5] Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
He also said Jesus is NOT God.
He said you do not have “free will”. That everything you do is going to happen anyway, there is nothing you can do about it.
He thinks that the catholic false church and other false churches are “good” and Jesus created them. Jesus does not approve of any of the harlot churches.
Jesus has ONE Church which He alone Heads.
Jesus has sound doctrine for His Children
Love and Faithfulness
Be blessed Gilbert.
And i may add as well………………Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which NO man shall see the Lord. Looking diligentely lest any man FAIL of the Grace of GOD.
Tis why we are warned so very often. Work out thy own salvation with fear and trembling…………FOR it is God that gives us both the desire…….and the Performance(ability)in works. Thus none can boast……………..but in GOD only.
For many have skewed what Grace really is……………………so lets take a look at what the bible says Grace is……….not what man says………..but what is written.
FOR the grace of God that BRINGS SALVATION has appeared unto all men, TEACHING US THAT ,DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORDLY LUSTS WE SHOULD LIVE SOVERLY, RIGHTEOUSLY AND GODLY IN THS WORLD. LOOKING FOR THAT BLESSED APPEAERING OF OUR LORD AND SAVOIR CHIRST.
Randall
thank you so much for this uplifting response.
AND YOU ARE CERTAINLY CORRECT, GOD WILL NOT GIVE HIS GLORY TO NO ONE, PERFECT EXAMPLE THE STORY OF GIDEON. GODS BIGGEST ENEMY IS THE FREE WILL god! GOD NEEDS NO SACRIFICES FROM US, GOD WANTS OBEDIENCE AND AT THE APPOINTED TIME WILL ALSO DEMAND IT. —SAMUEL15;22 But Samuel replied,
“What is more pleasing to the LORD: your burnt offerings and sacrifices or your obedience to his voice? Listen! Obedience is better than sacrifice, and submission is better than offering the fat of rams.— our physical works are “as filthy rags” we DO the work of GOD through our through our presence our actions because we “Walk in the Spirit” GALATIANS 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, LET US ALSO WALK IN THE SPIRIT. and there fore we are dead to the works of the letter, however, we must never forget PHILIPPIANS 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you BOTH to will and to do of his good pleasure. THE FREE WILL brothers and siters hate this Scripture because they so bad want to have some GLORY in their salvation. but you and i know better, GOD will not allow no boasting from us YOU ARE CERTAINLY CORRECT ABOUT THIS AND TO STOP THE MADNESS HERE WHAT GOD DOES BUT MANY REJECT EPHESIANS 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves,IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD! AND
Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
GOD BLESS YOU RANDALL
Gilbert.
All…………that has been done. Our being worthy…………or counted worthy………..was by grace.
We are made worthy is what i should say………………..by Christ.
Not by our own works………………lest any should boast.
But soley for Christ sakes are we forgiven, made just, counted righteous, made worthy.
Now sing aloud Gilbert. For Christ alone has made us worthy. Not ourselves in any way, shape, or fashion. Now let us have works……..worthy of repentance.
Yes………Gilbert………………we did not even cause our own repentance. God by grace gave us that as well……………..FOr it is the goodness of God…………that led us even to repentance………..lest any should boast a incy bit.Romans 2 v 4. For yes……………lest we ever forget………………..all is by Grace.
Now let us take heed unto this Grace………..and be found faithful stewards…………having works worthy of repentance. Let us take heed unto our bodies, crucifying the flesh, dead, by the Power of Christ within. Let us read and take heed unto sound doctrine.
And walk in Love and peace towards all. Be blessed Gilbert. You may already know all this.
But praise the Lord………….its always good to hear it again………..and again.
So , now Gilbert……………..Dance before the Lord , and praise His Holy Name.
Amen.
Dear Gilbert,
We should talk about this Bible verse: [NAS] [Isaiah 45:7] The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.[KJV] [Isaiah 45:7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Evil is to bad. or to do or think bad things. Jesus created Good, and some people changed the Good into bad.
Jesus is Good
Love and Healing
Randall
What do these next scriptures mean to you
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I MAKE PEACE, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things. AND Amos 3:6 When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When EVIL comes to a city, has the LORD NOT DONE IT? And Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yes, EVEN THE WICKED for the day Of EVIL. Brother Randall, According to these Scriptures, GOD not the devil nor us humans have control over EVIL do you agree? Hear what CHRIST told Pilate John 19: 10-11 So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered, Thou couldest have NO POWER at all against me, EXCEPT IT WERE GIVEN THEE FROM ABOVE: therefore he (satan not judas)that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. And is it true that Pilate, the devil, us even today could not have no power unless it came from above? Hear this Scripture please, Acts 4:26-27 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, (JESUS CHRIST) and against his Christ. (THE ELECT) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus whom thou hast anointed both Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and the people of Israel were gathered together —–AND WHO ORQUESTRATED THIS WHOLE PURPOSE—? For to do whatsoever thy hand (GOD’S HAND) and thy counsel DETERMINED BEFORE to be done here is how we are born Psalm 51:5 5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. –and— Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.—and once again, WHO CREATED THE WICKED–? Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yes, EVEN THE WICKED for the day Of EVIL. Here is what you say Randall “For we have been forgiven……………not becasue we deserved it…………but for Christs sake alone.” —NOT— BECAUSE WE DESERVE IT? Randall if we don’t deserve Salvation then who does…? Hear how we were born once again, romans 8:20 For the creation was made subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope, Here is the Greek word for vanity and the Definition; mataiotés: vanity, emptiness
Original Word: ματαιότης, τητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: mataiotés
Phonetic Spelling: (mat-ah-yot’-ace)
Short Definition: vanity, purposelessness
Definition: vanity, emptiness, unreality, purposelessness, ineffectiveness, instability, frailty; false religion. This is how we were born NOT WILLINGLY many brothers and sisters have this misconception that Adam and Eve sinned WILLINGLY. You must remember though that NO WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES DOES IT SAY THAT ADAM AND EVE WERE EVER CHILDREN THEY DID NOT HAVE PARENTS TO TEACH THEM RIGHT FROM WRONG IT WAS PURPOSED THAT WAY GOD NEVER FAILED HOW WOULD WE KNOW PEACE IF WE NEVER EXPERIENCE EVIL OR GOOD IF WE NEVER EXPERIENCE BAD ECCLASIASTES 1:13 OF THE Concordant Literal Version SAYS IT BEST; 13I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of EVIL Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it. THERE IT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR US, “SO TO HUMBLE US” BY THE EVIL. Many people take offense, especially the church brothers when I show them these truths but iam not saying nothing JOB didn’t say here is JOBS ACCOUNT Job1:20Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped, 21And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD GAVE and the LORD HATH TAKEN AWAY; blessed be the name of the LORD. 22 In all this JOB SIN NOT , nor charged God FOOLISHLY. BUT here are even more critical words hear; JOB 2: 7So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. 8And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes. 9Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10 BUT he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. WHAT? SHALL WE RECEIVE GOOD at the hand of God, and SHALL WE NOT RECEIVE EVIL? In all this did NOT JOB SIN WITH HIS LIPS. GOD needs no protection, HE is not afraid to tell us that HE created wicked, in vanity, liars, not good from the womb and for what purpose Romans 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” GOD loves it when HIS children give HIM all the Praise and all Glory and once we are Humble and brought low we do it and do it with unsurpassing desire or at least I feel this way. Scriptures tell us “YOU CAN NOT COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER DRAWS (Greek- drag)YOU” I know I was dagged to CHRIST after 21 years of being a cocaine addict is been almost 5 years now I here send a short testimony for brothers and sisters to learn a bit about me
GOD BLESS.
TESTIMONY ; I will give you a little history about myself: see it has been almost 5 years since I began this journey.
January 28 will be 5 years exactly, since GOD had mercy on me and released me from a 21 year cocaine addiction, I was also a drunk , smoked 1.5 to 2 packs a day cigarettes, and easily drank 6 red bulls a day.
Yes… I was a mess!
I live a life totally free of all the mentioned things above I have not drank smoke or even drank so much as one red bull since.
Now I could see letting one thing or two go but to completely being healed from all things all at once YEA THAT WAS CERTAINLY GOD! All GLORY TO GOD!
Of course the very next day I was so excited and just wanted to find GOD! Went back to church (Pentecostal) for is what I was brought up as, since I was a child.
I however did not feel right and so I began studying on my own and then I ran into Herbert Armstrong teachings, and religiously did the sabbath for one whole year.
Realized however the pastor was all about money.
This was very discouraging because I had waited almost 8 months for Armstrong people to begin a church here in Wisconsin and the pastor, the very first day of service did not even introduced himself but instead, he introduced a video of nothing but tithing, no not good.
Yet all is of GOD here it is the witness;
Job 14:5 Man’s days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed.
Going forward, Its almost been 4 years since that happen and thereafter is been nothing but The guidance of The Holy Spirit.
Thank you for listening
@bill.
Bill that was wonderful……………………..(Abraham rejoiced to see my Day………….HE saw it and was glad. Bill……………Abraham saw the Lords day. He saw it.
Look closely at Hebrews as well. It says That in Issac shall thy seed be called.
Accounting that God was able to raise Him from the dead………………..
See…………Abraham had faith in every word God spoke.
He knew that God would raise his child from the dead…………..WHY?
Because………..GOd had told him in Issac shall thy seed be called. And Abraham knew………..that God cannot lie………….HE trustted God as a little child. And knew that God would have to raise us his son in order to fullfill the promise he gave to Abraham concerning his own son.
Abraham was taken to the Hill as but a trial of his faith in GOD. What GOD Said.
Not only that but look what the place was called………..Jehovah Jireh. In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen or provided(in the mount of the Lord)
Abraham saw the glory of God…………CHrist. He saw his day.
Look what God tells him…………….because you have not witheld thy Son…………thy ONLY SON…………and read the rest of it. He saw the day of the Lord and yes he rejoiced as was glad.
JEHOVAH JIREH………..in the mount of the Lord it shall be SEEN.
Now be blessed peoples and rejoice in the Lord………………in the salvation of the Lord.
For we have been forgiven……………not becasue we deserved it…………but for Christs sake alone.
Now what a treasure this is………………WIth all voices in thunderous praise and much appluase……….sing unto the Lord…………Dance unto the Lord………….for we have the forgivness in Christ Jesus…………….now go and sin no more. Sing peoples…………..clap your hands………
this world may have nothing but persecutions , trials and afflictions…………but …………Whom God loves………..Whom he LOVES he chastens…………..it all for our welfare………..now that is LOVE.
Cuase not a one deserves Grace…………i mean i sure know i didnt…………….but what strength i find in knowing i am forgiven…………not based upon my own feeble actions of self righteousness…………..but by God for Christs sake………………..and that ought make every one sing……………….Mark , Bill, Karensera(karen)Sandra, Pedro(Pete) Charles , and Emelio, Jose, Charlene, Paul, Roger, Christine, Shanna, and any and all who draw oxygene……….Prase the Lord ………..Prase the Lord…………..and again i say Praise the Lord.
@bill.
Bill thats beautiful. Mark be blessed…………..you have the desire to follow……….PRAISE GOD.
The truth is we ought never sin. However if one does…………….then the part of process , of purging it out…………it to CONFESS, to one another…………..ask forgivness of the Lord. And we all pray for the brother or sister. IF we keep hidden our faults………………..Others cannot help us in the battle…………..I believe we ought never sin…………………but who here can say they have never had a fault since coming. However, once the fault is made known unto us…………….we must repent quickly or be in danger of falling away. Like when Paul said if one has an argument………….be quick to forgive………….as Christ has forgiven you……….lest Satan get the advantage. We must have the mindset to never sin…………….for if we do we may never come back to the Lord. But if any sees a fault within themselves……………CONFESS IT RIGHT QUICKLY, do so to others…………..and the others ought from hearts of purity, pray for the other to be healed………….forgiven etc.
John 8-39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
John 8 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Gen ch 18 1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
Bill
Mark we are all stars that differ. I Cor. 15. every single person is a different creation of God with different gifts and trials in this life, no 2 are alike. The one common ground is the testimony of Jesus Christ and the love for and understanding in the body, the foot has a different function than the arm, but they are unified in in body and both are necessary. Jesus is building up His body of believers the same way. We all have a small part, when we think we have a big part we start becoming deceived. Keep contending for the faith as you have been and Jesus will guide you,
Many of us are going through different forms of purging, each as the Lord sees fit to do so in His time and season., I fully understand where you are coming from brother, I love you and have already learned from you in the short time I have witnessed with you, as well as all of the others on this forum.
Keep Jesus love and give it to others
Bill. .
@Mark Amen. The battle is inside to purge us of SELF that so much wants to be king and lord. But I am believing what Abraham believed that GOD and not me, is going to raise up and has raise his up from my own spiritually dead body. That new man will then become a living sacrifice unto the Lord.
@Mark, you are understood.
Brother Paul, The peace of our Christ be with us. I wish I could just show you a picture of what I see, cause I’m so lacking when it comes to words.Some on here are so gifted at putting it down in print. I feel inarticulate and at the same time, so blesed to be a partaker of their efforts.Concerning your response to my asking forgiveness.I’m confident in the blood of Christ.I also see in the Word, scriptures like James5:16 Confess your faults to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed… and Matt5:21-26….Make friends quickly with your opponet at law while you are with him on the way, in order that your opponet may not deliver you to the judge,and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.Truly I say to you, you shall not come out of there, until you have paid up the last cent.- If you can keep this from happening to me, why would you answer a yes no request for forgiveness the way you did? You discern well when you say only evil persons[the old man/man of perdition] and devils[pride/the nature of satan] would attack you.Paul, this is the very battle this Jesus of ours is leading me in.This is the man being put to death in me. This part of my walk is my hope, my confidence. It’s my security,it’s the very way I KNOW it’s HIM. I can’t deny this,where else would I go? What else do I have? This is the only way,it’s Life.In an earlier post I said something smart like’the question remains’.That’s my dad talking[sins of the fathers].This is a side that wants to fight[hate/murder] .I’m afraid if it’s not love it can only be hate in the Lords eyes. This part of me is being purged,washed clean in His blood.It’s part of my santification, to see these things and turn,lay it before Jesus and repent.This where my peace is, how I walk in covenant with my God. How could I love you and not want this for you? I hope this makes sense. My prayer is that it is understood.I don’t know how it is for anybody else. Some folks are well along in their walk. All I can tell you is I’m not lying, this is how it is for me. I love you man.May the God of all grace bring us into His understanding.Mark
@Randall, what did I assume in the post below? I have no idea what you are trying to tell me.
Dear Mark,
I don’t see you as ever attacking me. I know those that are born of Jesus. Only evil persons and devils would dare attack me, and this would be to their destruction. You are wise in your seeking the Truth of Jesus.
Keep up the Good work.
Jesus is to be Honored
Love and Compassion
@Everyone………….remember when i said assumption is the most dangerous and stife causing.
It is. And i have been guilty of this…………but was led to hear the person instead of just assuming.
@Karen……………i already know all of what you told me……………let us not assume things.
From here on……..i say we should ask the person what it is they mean by what they say.
Just months ago…………i would have come back in strife against you Karen.
But the Lord reminds me ………i too have been guilty of the same. That we need not strive.
A house divided cannot stand. Karen no longer assume anything. Ask. I shall do the same.
The enemy wants us all divided. It seems as late as though many are coming against me, that they resist the truth i speak. Yet all in Love i speak . I understand now by growth in Christ………many shall resist the truth i speak…………for i mainly stay focused on the GRACE of GOd being established upon our harts. The enemy hates this…………..but i have no fear. For my God is my strength, my shield,,,,,,,,my everlasting Joy.
But i shall never cease to warn to all as well…………THE COMING OF THE LORD DRAWS NIGH
I shall not cease to warn …………..READ SOUND DOCTRINE.
Godliness with contentment GREAT GAIN. Beware of covetousness a mans life does not consist in the abunance of what he Posses. We are the scourge of the earth, pilgrams in a strange land.
We shall be hated……….persecuted for our gosple, our love, our warning, our speaking , how we walk. Many are coming against me now. Just a reminder……….all who live godly in Christ suffer persecution. Karen………..i only love you, and desire for none of us to strive.
If we would simply focus on salvation………..Grace, mercy, forgivness, love, doing more for the other and others good sound things……………….we would not strive.
Karen…………….Focus on what Christ taught……….then the 12 later delivered by power of holy spirit. Go back to reading acts…….the gosples, the letters to the churches. Back to the Holy scriptures…………..they give us instruction in Righteous living. How we should all esteem others better than ourselves…….how they focused on the Joy of the salvation of the Lord……..and not a bit on their cirumstances. They were free men in Christ………….many have fallen from sound doctrines……..and letters they wrote……………we were warned this would occur.
EVERYONE>>>>>>>>>>I beg you all with my whole hart……………go back to what they first taught. Go back………….and look……….they had such a great hope in His return. They focused on this………knowing the reward is at the end of our faith. Eternal life. I am seriously warning us all………………dont let any of us be so highminded we ever change what they taught. Or bend or twist any scripture. Just go back to sound doctrines………..the world and many churches no longer abide in the doctrines. I see the truth……………the more i love the less i am loved.
People grow weary with my continual exhortation, warning etc………but as paul once said it is not burdensome for me to write these things, but for us all it is needful to be continually exhorted day by day. This world has grown sensual, the churches as well. But its false. Go and test all i have said against sound doctrine………..for i only repeat what Christ himself spoke of looking for Him, what He said about covetousness, cares of life, pleasures etc. and what the apostles spoke of.
And cant a soul stop me from this………..for it is the truth of the Lord , by His Spirit, i warn as did the early church. People seperatte me from theri company……….but i only pray for them.
Forgivness to them. That they come to Christ. Let all assumption stop. Or divided we shall remain. Be blessed. Everyone let us have the first love filled full in our hearts. And just be desiring Him, the object of our hearts desire………..Forsake this hellish darkned world and all affections and lusts of the flesh. Let the light of Christ shine………..and Love all, even our enemies. Be blessed.
Dear Paul, I need to ask you to forgive my assault. In my ignorance, confusion and pride I indeed pulled out the sword.John 17:10 I’m young in the Lord and new at handeling this, and haven’t done a very good job. Our God is faithful and has been revealing my heart to me. Will you forgive my attack? The Lord”s been putting this on my heart and this morning it’s been increased.I’m no longer amazed at what the world calls ” coincidences “. Karen, I bear witness to this mornings posts.[check out HIS timing]You’re seeing the same Truths the Lord’s showing me. Praise God.Ive been brought to consider these;’be quick to hear, slow to speak & slow to anger for the anger of man…’and Matt:26:52″put your sword back into it’s place; for all those who pick up the sword shall perish by the sword.” To ALL those who’ve shared and spoken out in this, thank you in your efforts to help my friend. I love you Paul, and wish I knew better what to say. Truly, to recognize, endure and understand discipline, is to know better, the peace of the God of Israel. All honor and thanksgiving be to Him from now on. mark.
Dear Karen,
The Key to Bible interpretation is Jesus. Some of the Bible is literal and some is not. We should all discuss the Bible’s meaning and put it to use. Reasoning is part of the Gift that Jesus has given us so we may practice Love.
Jesus is to be Known
Love and Honor
Randall, if you begin to take some of Revelation as literal, then you have to take all of it as literal. The problem I see is everybody has a different interpretation as to what the symbols represent. They will pick and choose which ones are to be literal and which are to be symbolic. No two people agree. Each will say everyone else is wrong, only they are right.
I know once you wrote “I am tired of everybody trying to spiritualize the bible” but Jesus himself told us the kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, within us. This means that the battle is a spiritual one too.
The entire book of Revelation is a book of encouragement to God’s people. It describes the victory of God’s people over Satan and evil. As Christians, we face Satan and his ministers every day. The Christian life is not the easiest life to live. There are troubles and fears on every side today just as there were in the first century.
Those who interpret Revelation as a codebook for the second coming of Christ overlook the book’s focus on the atoning work of Christ at his first coming. Describing events thousands of years in the future would provide little comfort to John’s original audience in the midst of persecution. These readers, however, would share the same hope that Christians of all times have in the victory over sin and death that Jesus’ blood provides. We do not look to the future for this ultimate achievement, as it has already been accomplished and is securely ours.
Randall, Jesus is already reigning. . . . . . inside of all who have overcome. They will be recognized by their spiritual fruit not head knowledge of scripture.
The battle is not somewhere over there, it is inside of ourself. . . we are battling evil thoughts. Look around you, no two Christians agree on everything. Some resort to slaying their brother (with words) because he does things a little differently than they do. This is where I see the real battle. Every Christian has his sword drawn against his brother yet claims to truly love God. If you ask me, this is the son of perdition who sits on God’s throne. He decides for himself what is good and what is evil.
The beast, dragon and false prophet have no hold on a true child of God. They are here within the undiscerning (babalonian double minded spirit+flesh man) but are not present in the overcomer.
Peace in Christ,
karen
Dear Gilbert,
I am part of the first resurrection. We should talk. I don’t want you to be confused.
Call me when you can. 845-832-3223. NY. time.
Jesus is for Unity
Love and Joy
Dear Randall
The 42 months will be a real 42 months. All Bible studies are for the purpose of coming to the Truth that Jesus wants us to hold on to . Jesus is not about confusion and He is also not about people deciding exactly what every Bible verse means based on their individual interpretation. I am all for reasoning about any Bible verse.
Keep your focus on Jesus
Love and Understanding
Paul :
Iam a bit confused, because you say on your response to “give you a summary” and that “what is my point?”
I thought I was answering your question you had asked me when you first directed questions to me, do you se where my confusion is?
Any way I will try to give you a summary, all though summary and GOD do not do well together I will try my best.
You see Paul I do not know if you understand what it means to be in the first resurrection, that is what Apostle Paul tries hard to get in our mind and in our hearts.
Yes is true that eventually all this will be but a memory, but don’t you want to be part of the work on making a difference and making it a memory do you not want to be a king or a priest here on the earth when CHRIST, comes and Rules YES this physical earth with a rod of iron? (SAY THE OUR FATHER ONCE “THY KINGDOM COME THY WILL BE DON ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN”)
Hear what Apostle Paul writes here;
Ephesians 12-14 19 God has now revealed to us his mysterious plan regarding Christ, a plan to fulfill his own good pleasure. 10And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ—everything in heaven and on earth.
everything on heaven and on earth Paul…will it be safe to say then that that means hitler, Dahmer, satan the evil angels, ALL will eventually be brought under the authority of CHRIST?
Brothers and sisters get super angry with me when I say these things to them but if that is not true than can someone, sensibly and scripturally explain what this scripture means then?
Okay so there are brothers and sisters who are okay with this part of the GOSPEL they accept universal salvation but Paul, Iam not one of them! I want more!! I want what Apostle Paul says in the next few verses;
11Furthermore, because we are united with Christ, we have received an inheritance from God,c for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan.
12God’s purpose was that we Jews who were the first to trust in Christ would bring praise and glory to God. 13And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. 14The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.
Paul, I could never thank GOD enough for my salvation and I know that salvation is sure Psalm69:3 But I pray to you, O LORD, in the time of your favor; in your great love, O God, answer me with your sure salvation.
But Paul, I want the inheritance also;
Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
Paul this kingdom is not for everybody;
Mark 4:11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables
This scripture also puts to rest the belief that when CHRIST was in the world HE was saving souls.
If that were that case then why would HE speak only in parables.
Here is what CHRIST said to the Apostles;
John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Greater things than CHRIST REALLY!? Really here is what happened on the DAY OF PENTECOST
Acts2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.
And
Acts 4:4 But many who heard the message believed, and the number of men grew to about five thousand.
Paul, the Apostles were not talking in parables they spoke clearly and with boldness
Acts 4 13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus.
This Scriptures paul should give you a clue as to who the lake of fire is;
Which is my next point
First of all Paul we have to put to rest that all that hell stuff IS NOT TRUE! Hell is not even a Scriptural word but im certain you know this by now. Here is what the lake of fire will do;
1 Corinthians 3:12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; YET SO AS BY FIRE.
Be saved BY FIRE! How can that be? fire burns last time I knew but is because the FIRE OF THE LAKE OF FIRE IS A SPIRITUAL FIRE NOT A LITERAL FIRE.
Here is a clue of who the lake of fire is;
Jeremiah 23:29 “Is not my word like fire,” declares the LORD, “and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?
And
Jeremiah 5:14 Therefore this is what the LORD God Almighty says: “Because the people have spoken these words, I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people wood.
Paul, Who are the people who dwell in the devouring flames, the bad people right? Wrong! Hear this;
Isahia 33a: 14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
It is the righteous people who dwell in the devouring flames, in the everlasting flames is the ones now “‘in this generation” and the generations since CHRIST ascended that are the ones who can dwell in the “fiery trials”
Here are some not to easy ‘devouring flames to dwell in “love thy enemy” “don’t resist evil” “turn the other cheek”
Here is the blue print for to be in the “FIRST RESURRECTION”
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The Sermon on the Mount
1Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.
The Beatitudes
2And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sonsa of God.
10“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Salt and Light
13“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people’s feet.
14“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law
17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Anger
21“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brotherb will be liable to judgment; whoever insultsc his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the helld of fire. 23So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. 26Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.e
Lust
27“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Divorce
31“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths
33“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.
Retaliation
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic let him have your cloak as well. 41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers,h what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Paul, I have so much more to say but I do not know if you are interested.
Here are some last scriptures to think about;
Romans 8: 18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creation, waits for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Remember Paul, CHRIST was not on the earth bringing us out of corruption HE came to pay for our sins and bring us back to GOD not to bring us out of corruption (GIVE US A NEW MIND) this is being done now through HIS word on “the few chosen”
Each day we who GOD has given HIS HOLY SPIRIT, die to our old man, because, of THE WORD OFGOD so that we can then also in the lake of fire deliver the rest of creation out of corruption;
21 the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF God.
1 CORINTHIANS 6:3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Paul I really want to be in the first resurrection.
Also please excuse my typing im not to good at it in fact im quite new at all this new technology
GOD BLESS
Gilbert
P.S. here is my email sanchezg45@yahoo.com
@Paul.
One thing i hope people also understand. Remember in old scriptures where God told Abraham your people will suffer four hundred years…………..and so they did.
WHy is it so many cant see that God means what he says.
A thousand years……..
1260 days 42 months……….3 one half years.
THese mean something. They literally mean something.
Two witnesses…………the church……………the Beast given power to continue……….
all add up to 3 and a half years……………..this is not just numbers to disregaurd.
God doesnt author confusion. Man does. But GOd is truth.
Do i understand it all……………no.
But one thing i can say…………….these 1260 days………..the forty two months etc.
THese occur before Christ returns…………….He destroys anti christ, beast, etc……….to a Lake of fire. However i do admit i dont fully understand it. SO in truth i can say…………The coming of the Lord draws nigh. That i am sure of. What all has to happen before He comes i can only repeat what Paul did………………the son of perdition must come. THe Spirit of anti christ has been amongst them since those days………..But Paul spoke of the Son of perdition coming , that sets himself up above all that is …………above God………..and revelation links to this son of perdition……….a beast, a king…………with ten kings………………and forty two months………TO CONTINUE. key words to continue. Two witnesses for forty two months…………the church fleeing to the wilderness for 1260 days etc.
If the days were literal in the old scrips…………..they must be literal now.
Be blessed. And praise God……………this world will end as we know it……………..
all shall be changed………………only God remains…………….and those in Him.
Wrath in Noahs day…………………………Wrath in the Son of Mans day.
But He shall gather his children first. Then comes the end.
Dear Gilbert,
I read your post. Give me the summary. What is your point?
I see you think of a Real thousand year reign of Jesus on earth. Which is Good.
Jesus is Orderly
Love and Patience
Dear Randall,
A 1000 natural years sounds Good for the start of eternity. The instant Change of the earth would be difficult to realize. Who cares how long the earth lasts, or how long Jesus waits to make a new one. In my travels I can not find many people who understand that this earth is not going to last. Jesus is Real, meaning He shall last, and the earth is not Real because it is not going to last.
Trust in Jesus our God
Love and Faithfulness
Paul
thank you for your quick response.
you ask to give you my thoughts on;
[Revelation 20:5] The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
To understand Revelation 20:5 we have to begin in Revelation 20:4 here they are first, in the ESV Bible translation;
4Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They (THE ELECT) came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
The NLT Bible translates REV 20:5 it how it suppose to be understood please look at it closely;
4Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their forehead or their hands. They (THE ELECT) all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5 This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.)
Paul, in GOD’S economy, if there is a first then it means there is a second, third etc…
That is just one more observation is not however the Meat that I am about to bring to you, and GOD willing, we can come to an understanding.
Ok let’s begin, you see Paul, what I have come to see in the Scriptures and it makes sense to me, is that during the millennium there are going to be physical people living. These will be the ones who survived the catastrophe upon CHRIST’S return, but were not part of “THE ELECT”
during this millennium, the elect though will be Spirits will appear, as normal Men.
(please Paul bear with me and I will show you through scripture what I mean.)
First let us take a look at some scriptures so that what Iam saying begins to make sense to you;
The Gospel According to St Luke*
Chapter 24:13-48
“Christ—He walks on the Emmaus road—He appears with a body of flesh and bones, eats food, testifies of his divinity, and promises the Holy Ghost—He ascends into heaven”.
13 ¶And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about athreescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they acommuned together and reasoned, bJesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were aholden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he, which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25 Then he said unto them, O afools, and slow of bheart to cbelieve all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at aMoses and all the bprophets, he cexpounded unto them in all the dscriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our aheart bburn within us, while he ctalked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath APPEARED to bSimon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 ¶And as they thus spake, Jesus himself astood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, bPeace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do athoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: ahandle me, and see; for a bspirit hath not cflesh and bones, as ye dsee me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and awondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be afulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their aunderstanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it abehoved Christ to suffer, and to brise from the dead the third day:
47 And that arepentance and bremission of sins should be cpreached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are awitnesses of these things.
Lets take a look at some other scriptures Paul ;
Hebrews Chapter 13 1 Let brotherly love continue.2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Therefore, we best be careful how we treat our fellowman for they may be angels.
Matthew Chapter 28 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
Point is Paul, spirits can appear as humans.
in light of all that I have said here let us continue forward, see Paul during the 1000 years the people will have no clue that the government (which by the way will finally be a one world government) are spirits who appear as Men and they will have no one to corrupt their minds because during this time satan will be bound for a thousand years;
Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and “bound” him for a thousand years.
People err by believing that the false prophet and the beast are in the lake of fire during this time, not true and I will explain to you why I believe this on next paper.
Ok, So satan is bound for one thousand years, no chaos going on in the earth, in fact, here is how Prophet Isaiah describes the thousand year reign;
Isaiah 11
“The Righteous Reign of the Branch”
1 There shall come forth a Rod out of the stem of Jesse,
and a branch from his roots shall bear fruit.
2 And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him,
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.
3 And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord.
He shall not judge by what his eyes see,
or decide disputes by what his ears hear,
4 but with righteousness he shall judge the poor,
and decide with equity for the meek of the earth;
and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth,
and with the breath of his lips he shall kill the wicked.
5 Righteousness shall be the belt of his waist,
and faithfulness the belt of his loins.
6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them.
7 The cow and the bear shall graze;
their young shall lie down together;
and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra,
and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.
9 They shall not hurt or destroy
in all my holy mountain;
for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.
10In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious.
Till today Paul, Isaiah’s stirring words remain unfulfilled. They have fired imaginations for centuries and crystallized the concept of the Millennium. Isaiah describes a complete change in the physical order. No part of the world we know will be left unchanged.
The nature of man will change to allow the building of a just world based on God’s Word and His laws. The deception that has gripped the world will dissipate as the true knowledge of God spreads to all humanity after Christ’s return.
But! Let’s not get to comfortable because remember, we still have to deal with satan being loosed for a short while;
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a short while.
And GOD ALLOWS satan to be loose ;
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
But for what? Here is for what Paul;
Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Paul, Remember all those obedient people during the millennium? well once satan gets through deceiving them they are obedient no more in fact, they are prepared to throw out CHRIST AND HIS GOVERNMENT (THE ELECT), people have no clue that these government is a spiritual government obviously, cause they are being deceived by none other than satan.
But all is working according to the perfect plan of GOD so Paul! REJOICE!!!
PAUL, GOD IS ABOUT TO PUT AN END TO ALL THE MADNESS! ALL FLESH IS ABOUT TO BE DESTROYED.
AND IF THERE IS NO MORE FLESH THERE IS NO MORE BABIES AND IF THERE IS NO MORE BABIES THERE IS NO MORE DEATH AND IF THERE IS NO MORE DEATH THERE IS NO MORE SIN AND IF THERE IS NO MORE SIN THERE IS NO MORE JUDGMENT.
SO YES, SATAN QUICKLY TURNS THE OBEDIENT PEOPLE OF THE MILLENIUM AGAINST CHRIST AND HIS ELECT HERE IT IS;
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city:
BUT PAUL, HERE IS EXACTLY WHERE GOD WANTS THEM TO BE BECAUSE AFTER THIS THEN;
and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
SSSSSH… ALL QUIET…. NO HUMAN ALIVE NOMORE ALL IS DESTROYED. ALL IS MELTED DOWN FROM THE FIRE GOD SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
ONLY THEN PAUL WILL THIS NEXT SCRIPTURE BE FULLFILLED COMPLETELY
1 CORINTHIANS 15:55 “O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?”
PEACE TO ALL
Gilbert.
Hey Paul, be blessed. Just member……….i do believe there will…..WILL be , after Christs return to destroy anti christ……..false prophet ,,,,,,,,,etc………….then , THEN there shall be a 1000 yr reign. I agree…………be blessed Gilbert. Be blessed.
Roger knew this too…………..but he is gone now.
And i am grateful to see some here understand the allegorical side of the mark of the Beast.
But remember too………….never take a physcial one either. Very deceptive the rfid is…………It seems like the right thing to save them wonderful children………………..etc ,all for good medical purposes…………..PLEASE> I shall not mark the temple of the Lord. This is His temple, i have been bought at a price. No marks whether visible or invisible.
We may be getting older…………….But i tell you all……………..DIE FIRST, before ever taking any type of device within the temple. DIE < DIE < DIE.
Why fear death………………….? Where is our faith?
Its trickey……………..very deceptive. But take no physcial mark neither.
No , not, noway. Bill stand firm now. And all others.
We must never mark Gods temple, spiritually, physcially etc. Only the Mark of Christ upon us.
So say again………………WE ShaLL not MARK GODS TEMPLE EITHER PHYSICALLY, NOR SPIRITUALLY ………..WE ARE DEAD TO THIS WORLD. wE ARE BOUGHT AT A PRICE.
cAUSE FELLOW MEN AND WOMEN……………THE CHIP MIGHT VERY WELL BE IN OBAMA CARE. yeAH……….I KNOW THIS COMES SOON. bUT BE STRONG IN CHRIST……..NO MARK………NO FEAR……………………..ONLY LIFE IN CHRIST. AMEN. BILL JUST SAY NO.
NO… PETE ………….SAY NO………………EVEN IF LOVED ONES DO…………AND THEY WILL………………….JUST SAY NO. EVEN IF A WIFE DOES…………..PETER………YOU MUST STILL SAY NO…………….ITS VERY DECPETIVE…………SEEMS HARMLESS TO THE CARNAL MIND. BUT I WARN YOU ALL WITH ALL BREATH I HAVE……………DONT TAKE NO PHYSICAL MARK EITHER. NO , NOWAY…………WE AINT GONNA DO IT ……….THEY CAN KEEP IT.
jUST SAY NO.
Dear Gilbert,
Your statement: “There is gonna be a millennium on this earth where CHRIST and the elect will rule the earth for a 1000 years” sounds interesting. Most people on this blog do not think of the Bible verses like the folloiwing mean a literal time period: [Revelation 20:5] The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Give us your thoughts on the matter
Jesus is True to His Word
Love and Wisdom
Bev
This was such an enlightening paper, thank you.
Here are some Scriptures that may help you to understand the whole mystery of the first resurrection and second resurrection first; we need to understand that as of today only CHRIST been resurrected into a spiritual body;
1 Corinthians 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
And so,
1 corinthians15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept.
Here is where we (the elect, the called, the few chosen etc…) stand today;
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance (but only) until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of his glory.
Today we are earnestly, already living in Eternity, but only in mind, We have to physically die to this body because;
1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD, therefore through death Is the only way we can obtain,
“the redemption of the purchased possession”,
And what is the “purchased possession”
1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Philippians 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his (CHRIST’S) glorious body.
Philippians 3:21 New Living Translation (©2007)
He will take our weak mortal bodies and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same power with which he will bring everything under his control.
Is why Apostle Paul had this to say;
1 John 3:2 Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
But hear Pauls mystery also;
1 Corinthians 15:51 51Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
So what Paul is saying here, is that there will be some elect alive when CHRIST returns, and they will have to die and be changed in the twinkling of an eye, into a spiritual body, because, it is a law that we all die once;
Hebrews 9:27 and as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment
However, because the elect died to the old man while in the physical body, these will not have to die again and therefore face judgment, these elect already been judged while alive;
There is gonna be a millennium on this earth where CHRIST and the elect will rule the earth for a 1000 years
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death (judgment) has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Revelation 5:10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”
And here is how CHRIST and THE ELECT will rule;
Revelation 2:27 He will rule them with a rod of iron; he will dash them to pieces like pottery’–just as I have received authority from my Father.
When CHRIST returns there is gonna be a catastrophe
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (2Timothy, 4: 3-4)
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith…. (1Timothy, 4: 1)
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! (2Timothy, 3: 1-5)
But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matthew, 24: 37-39)
so many will die but there will be some left alive on this earth it is these who remain alive that the elect will rule over them.
Hope this cleared your confusion somewhat you said;
We are resurrected from the dead and given newness of life through the Spirit of God. I cannot fully explain the mystery of all this but I continue to seek wisdom from God.
if you want to know more about the elect feel free to contact me
Peace and May GOD bless you
Gilbert.
Hello Bev…………or Bt. We would love to meet you. Oh yes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we must die daily and become a living sacrifice. You be blessed. I truly hope and pray you will pray with us as we all grow and mature in the Lord together. My name is randall and there are others here as well that desire truth , love and growing in the faith of our Lord. You are very welcome. This world has nothing, nothing to offer any of us……………we seek only a Kingdom to come…………..one not built by man…………..but built by and in Christ.
There are so few of us……………and we must truly bond together in the holy spirit. The true family not of flesh or the world……………but in the spirit. Be blessed Bev………………i pray you come and join with our tiny flock. i am from texas. Where do you reside? PLease come and say hello to us all. It brings such joy to hear of another one finding the group. I am new here as well. I came here on May 4 2011. About the sime time as Laurie . Together in Christ let us grow in the Lord. Be dead to self and alive to the Lord.
Thank you for your insight to the word. I also believe we have to die daily and become a living sacrifice.
Again I thank you so much. Maybe your sight will help others to see truth. Not very much out there.
B.T.