WatchTower Error on Godhead
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
I have been speaking with the nicest and sweetest two ladies one could ever meet. They have come to my house many times to speak with me about God. I have always embraced their initiative and we have shared a little about our faith. But while I agree a number of things they say about God and how we are to live, we have some fundamental HUGE differences in our faith. The big one is over who Jesus was and is.
The bible clearly tells us that Jesus is my Lord and Savior. Jesus is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Jesus is my God. Jesus is the author of my salvation. Jesus is THE LORD that spoke to Abraham, Moses and all the Prophets. Jesus sent His Spirit to live inside of us and to guide us in all truth. Jesus is the name above ALL names. There is no other name by which salvation comes. But yet, these ladies believe that Jesus is not God Almighty, and that he was just an angel sent by the real God. As you may have surmised, I was speaking to two Jehovah Witnesses.
These ladies gave me literature, which I actually read through. If I wasn’t already well grounded into the Word, I could have easily believed the story that was woven thru their literature. It all sounded logical; it was all backed up by scripture. Reading this stuff, caused me to doubt. I can’t believe I even had a flicker of doubt since the Lord has been speaking to me and showing me things, but I did. I set out therefore to study up on this issue about the Jehovah Witnesses and let the spirit of God guide me in all truth. What you see here is the result of many hours of research and study on my part. It obviously isn’t all the truth about this subject but it does contain what I believe to be the main point that the reader must properly discern.
John 12:47-49 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
The words of Jesus shown above are key to my understanding of eternal life. The Word of God will be our judge. We will be held accountable for our conformity to it or are rebellion against it. The Witnesses do not believe the words of Jesus to be the very Word of God and unless they repent and find their way to the truth, they shall perish. It is out of love for God and want of saving these lost souls that I have provide this lengthy rebuttal to the false teachings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower organization.
Before I continue, I want to go on record with one more point. I seek not to debate this issue with the Witnesses. My goal is have them come to a saving Faith in Christ and not blindly march down a path following doctrines of demons. I have prayed in earnest about this, and God does speak to me, and he has told me that I am on the right side of the issue. So nothing any man will every say to me or try to teach me will counteract the very words and teaching of God directly to me about His truth. I don’t say this to be flip, but I want all to know I am not interested in a debate. If this material I have compiled helps anyone, and gets them on the right path to the Lord, then Praise Be to God.
I am not an expert on the Jehovah’s Witnesses but have spent numerous hours researching their beliefs and doctrine. I researched the history of the WatchTower organization and read both affirming and negating positions about the Witnesses’ beliefs, and I read thru all of the literature given to me by them. I also did some research into the writings of the early church, some of the authors cited in the WatchTower literature as supporting their positions. But most importantly, I took out my bible and using several versions (KJV, NKJV, NIV and NASB), looked up all the verses given to me by these lovely ladies and the key verses highlighted in the WatchTower literature. I convincingly believe that The WatchTower organization was founded by men that were not of God. These men were deceived and unwittingly had become messengers of Satan. I say this without any hesitation because the WatchTower organization is on record making lots of prophetic announcements and none of this events happened as announced. We know therefore that God did not send these “prophets” as we are told in scripture.
Deut. 18:22, “If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.”
Please CLICK HERE for a list of the false prophetic utterances from the WatchTower organization.
We men cannot comprehend the mystery of God unless he reveals that to us in his written word or speaks to us live via the Holy Spirit. While the WatchTower organization picks out many verses that taken alone and applied with human logic can arrive at a conclusion about the essence of who God really is; many more verses by my study can be taken the other way to show that Jesus is God Almighty. Since the Word is infallible, we must use all of scripture to learn the truth. The Jehovah Witnesses’ have not done that and are marching towards their doom.
There is ONE FATAL error in Watch Tower theology, although I will break it out into two.
1.They DENY CHRIST. The Witnesses believe Jesus was merely an angel or at best a created mini God that was less than the Father and was separate and distinct from the Father. Denying Christ is a one way ticket to eternal condemnation and death. The Witnesses do not believe the Gospel of Jesus, they have indeed been taught a different Gospel. Paul said to those that teach such error, “Let them be accursed”. Jesus said:
John 8:19 If ye believe NOT that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins
Matthew 10:33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me
2. They Worship Jehovah not Jesus. As my study will clearly show, Jehovah and Jesus are the same. While this may be hard for men to understand, the quantity of scripture to support this is impossible to dismiss. The fact of the matter is there is only ONE LORD and the Lord Jehovah of the old Testament, is the same Lord Jesus. Throughout history, men have tried to play God and in their foolishness claim to understand the deep mystery of who God; even though we are told God himself determines to whom and how much he reveals to us.
John 5:21-23 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
Jesus clearly told us that we are too honor Him and that by doing so, we honor the Father. The Witnesses dishonor Jehovah by denying Jesus and by disobediently not worshipping Him. Satan has played a clever trick on them by using prideful human logic, that says we can fully understand the mystery of God to invent new doctrine that results in denial of Jesus. Woe to them that preach such error.
To steal a title from some Jehovah Witness’ literature; What Does the Bible Really Say about the Mystery of the Godhead?
The Witnesses like to say there is no reference to the “Trinity” in Scripture. While true, the words Trinity do not appear in scripture, it doesn’t take away from the revelation the Word contains that God’s has different essence to his overall being that us as humans and that we are not to fully comprehend that. Who are we to think we can play God and know everything? God’s word tells us that He reveals himself and knowledge to us, we don’t figure out on our own power.
2 Cor 2:14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and manifests through us the sweet aroma of the knowledge of Him in every place.
Col 2:9-10 For in Him (Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. In Christ is all the fullness of God, and He is the Almighty. This verse is just one of many that blows a gaping hole into the man made theories and manipulation of the Watch Tower Society.
1 John 5:7, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. I read this verse as speaking to the mystery of theh Trinity, although the word “trinity” is not used in the translation.
Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
As these passages show, Scripture does speak about the Godhead. Witnesses like to point out that pagan cultures loved to celebrate false Gods that were typically portrayed as triune beings. I don’t dispute that point but my point is SO WHAT? That doesn’t mean a concept of the Living God that involves three aspects of his essence is false. We are told clearly in 2 Cor 11:4 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Satan counterfeits the ways of God to create deception and you have to hand it to him, he has proven pretty crafty it taking the focus off the true light, which is Jesus and in doing so has ensnared the millions of Jehovah Witnesses’ and even more in the apostate churches of today.
The “Persons” of God is referenced in many places, not with the kind of clarity that instantly explains the Godhead; but these passages do give us a glimpse into God’s mysterious being. Genesis 3:22 states, “And the LORD God said, ‘The man has now become like one of US…‘” There are other Scriptures in the Old Testament that refer to God using the plural word “US” and I encourage you to go find them. The meaning of the Hebrew word Elohim, which is the most common title for God in ancient scripture text confirm the mystery. This Hebrew word is in the plural form. So the essence of God is plural but there is still only one God.
Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell. Jesus represents the fullness of God. To understand God, we must focus on Jesus.
Conclusion: There is reference to the essence of God being more complicated than just an Almighty Jehovah. The Watch Tower society has ignored these references and have let fleshly pride deceive them into believing they alone have figured God out. To Deny Christ is to choose DEATH.
Another argument of logic used by some Witnesses is this question. If Jesus is GOD, who raised him from the dead?
Who Raised Jesus From The Dead?
Scripture references Christ’s resurrection throughout. The credit for raising Christ from the dead is interchangeable referred to as God, The Father, The Holy Spirit, and even Jesus himself.
God Raised Jesus: For brevity only a handful of scriptures are provided.
God raised Jesus from the dead: “…that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9).
“In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands…by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12)
“He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.” (1 Peter 1:20-21)
“And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power.” (1 Corinthians 6:14)
“Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.” (Acts 2:23-24)
“But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.” (Acts 3:14-15)
God, THE FATHER Raised Jesus:
“Therefore I also…do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him…according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places…” (Ephesians 1:15-20).
“Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4)
“Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead)…” (Galatians 1:1)
The Holy Spirit Raised Jesus:
“But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.” (Romans 8:11)
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit…” (1 Peter 3:18)
But Jesus said He Himself Would Do It:
“Jesus answered and said to them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.’ Then the Jews said, ‘It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?’ But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.” (John 2:19-22)
“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” (John 10:17-18)
The Word says God is not the author of confusion. While the essence of God is a mystery, who Jesus was and is remains quite clear. Jesus told us clearly that we were to be HIS witnesses, testifying of Him to the ends of the earth. He is the Holy One, The Almighty, The Lord.
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
In my next post, I will provide a table that compares the reference to the Old Testament God with the Jesus of the New Testament. As one will readily see, they are the SAME GOD.
May God Bless You Richly!!
This is the original 1611 KJB. The first book of Gen. doesn’t start till page 18.
The 1750 KJV translation is the same there were 1000s of changes that were made so the new-agers love to point that out. What they don’t tell you is that by 1750 they had much better type setting which made it easier to read.
The changes were all spelling changes, for instance there was no letter “J” in 1600 when the KJB was written, so Jesus was spelt Iesus. same with Jacob it was spelt Iacob, the word “years” was spelt yeers. The chapters were listed in Roman numerals
instead of Aramaic numerals. Example chp 16 would be XVI.
Thus you can find that all the changes were of this nature. You will find that some of the words are spelt different, but the KJV you have today, even the italised words is exactly the same as the original. Go through it and check it against the KJV it is the same, only the words are spelt a little different in some cases. The new agers love to tell you of the 1000s of changes that were made from the original KJB. It’s a big lie.
http://arcticbeacon.com/books/1611_King_James_Version-Scan.pdf
Bill
Hi Pete: Just wanted to let everyone know that Bro. Bill @ watchmenweekly has a podcast up on the 1000 year reign/Millenium. I just finished pt.4, and look forward to hearing pt.5. The 1000 year reign is a doctrine of the JW, and they really believe that this is the way it will be. I believed it too, until the Holy Spirit showed me the truth. They also believe that satan wont be bound until then, and after the 1000 years satan will be loosed for a “little season”, and then whomever sinned during the 1000 years will be destroyed along with satan, and then they will have eternal peace. Bro. Bill talkes about the binding of satan, and the little season on pt.4. I encourage all who can to listen to all parts they are very eye opening. Just one more tidbit, if you research the JW you will find out that they are not listed as a religion, but are referred to as a cult, and what usually happens to those who follow “cults”? unfortunatly it is “death”. May we all continue to use whatever gift we have been given to accomplish the work that is before us, for the glory of our Lord, and Savior. Also, we need to be praying for Jesus to hasten His return, “even so, come quickley Lord Jesus”. I truely feel that His return will happen in my lifetime, not a day goes by that I do not wake with the expectation of His coming, it is on my mind constantly. Pete, and everyone here are my brothers, and sisters in Christ, and I love each one of you. We are going to be attacked from all sides, and we must stand together, and be of one mind. Thank you Pete, and as always God Bless one and all. Sandra
I forgot to mention that these are the only 3 times Godhead is written in the scriptures.
The fact that it is written 3 times is one signiture of the trinitty in itself.
Bill
Pete I have not a complete written study on the Godhead, but here is a little on the subject.
The trinity of God I believe can not be fully understood by the minds of men, but it is very much a scriptural truth.
The Holy Spirit has revealed over time to me this truth in my heart, and as time goes by I slowly get a little more clarity and understanding of the triune nature of GOD.
The first time I actually noticed it in the text is in Gen. 1-26, 27. (us, our, and our). The three persons of the Godhead
actually reasoning among themselves in verse 26, and in verse 27. It describes that they came to an agreement. This I believe is codified by the world “So” in verse 27. “So”meaning that a decision was made among the 3 of them who are ONE GOD> I also believe that God created His creation after his own fashion,I will list some of these in another post.. James Lloyd has 2 books on this subject called the tri-uneverse. I will have Bob sent them to you Pete. They are small books, but quite amazing, Bob would be pleased to mail them to you.
GOD THE FATHER
Acts 7:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
The Word which was made flesh. (the Son)
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus and the Father are one,and HE is One with the Holy Spirit. ( Luke 3 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him)
THE HOLY SPIRIT
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Here it is made clear that just from the creation of the all things made, that the invisible things of God (His spiritual truth)
should be clearly understood without excuse. The Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit (the Comforter) will teach you and guide you to all truth. All will be with out excuse on the last day.
1 We are all given the love of the truth (called).— 2 He chooses those who follow HIM and receive the love of the truth.— 3 Then of course the third part, which is enduring to the end.(faithful). Called, chosen, and faithful is the 3 part triune matrix to salvation. (Rev 17-14)
This is one verse in Romans ch 20 seriously challenges any future 1000 year reign on earth theology. The invisible things (the knowledge of God) are taught by the Comforter the Holy Ghost in John 14-26, and all will be with out excuse.
stand as they stand before the throne of GOD on judgement day (Rev ch 20-12 & Matthew 25: 31-46). You for sure do not want to be in the group who are judged by the book”s” (plural). These are the wicked ones who are judged by their deeds. Those who are in the BOOK with no “s” are in the BOOK of Life washed by the Blood of the LAMB.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee.—This verse from Hosea 4-6 was imported into the New Testament by Paul in 2 Thes 2-10. Those who receive not the love of the truth, but choose to believe in lies should perish. Vs. 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. —This is the same as Hosea 4-6, the knowledge spoken of by Hosea is “the love of the truth” and all of us are called to it, none have any excuses. When we never answer this call then this is the unpardonable sin ” blasphemy of the Holy Ghost” reveived not the love of the truth.
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These are those who “choose” not to receive the love of the truth up unto their dying breath. If your still breathing then you can come to HIM. (the 11th hour workers) But I must also add that to whom much is given much is required. (the 3rd hour workers) All are given His truth. Many are not given as much as others, but God loves all who come to him with a contrite heart, in sincerity, and choose to follow him in a covenant walk. (faithful)
Those of whom He gives more knowledge and understanding to He then will require more from them. For instance the free world was given the blessings of HIS Holy Scriptures, but we did not appreciate this. Some people in many parts of the world were not able to obtain a bible, thus they were not given as much, but God reaches them in other ways through the Holy Spirit. All of HIS sheep hear HIs voice.We are all given a part according to our gifts.
He expects more from those who were given more. They are to be prideless good stewards of the word and point others to JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE AND ONLY LORD AND SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. As the OT says: besides me their is no other Saviour. (Isaiah 45:21)
God sends strong delusion upon them who are without excuse and do not receive Romans 1-20, the invisible things of God. (spiritual truth).
The delusional manifestations in the minds of unsaved men will put fear into their hearts, just as God says in Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and (((chose))) that in which I delighted not.– They chose to do evil instead of follow the LORD, these will have either GOD’S wrath placed upon them, or tribulation bestowed upon them by HIS vessels of wrath.
In 2 Thes 2-2 Paul teaches the remnant believers in Christ not to be deceived, nor troubled, or shaken in mind during these times of spiritual earthquakes to come. AKA (Jacobs trouble, the tribulation).
Agape
Bill
Bill, this is exactly why i warn us all to be on guard. Because even if the false mayans predictons come true, believe them not. This coud be used to futhur the new world religon.
Because then they could claim, see the mayans had it right, so all religions really do lead to God. OF course i aint sayng it will. But if something hard core happens on that date. You can bet all those not of Christ will fall for it.
Be blessed too Bill!!!!
Pete, all u need is the word of God. The word makes clear i would have you wise concerning good, but simple concerning evil. Dont nevah pick it up. Just tell them plainly to load you with info concerning the starting of the witnessess. Tell them you want to know all about their beginning. Who theirfounder was , what did he say, what did he predict.
They are coming out with their own version of Greek. Its their own greek translation. SO now we know the higher ups know that are in deed lieing.
THey are changing the greek. Wel i have actual greek as well. If you want i will mail it to you. Time enough on this attack agaisnt the truth.
we pray, we help , we encourage, we feed ourenemies, we pray for those who persecute us… why? Jesus said too. ANd the second is Jesus , by his death , while we were enemies we weere reconciled to God. So let us walk in that manner. But if they dont hear after some time. You gotta wak away. Be very careful. Cause it even speaks of not bidding them God speed. So pray for them. Not with them. Be blessed Pete.
Hello everyone!!!! May we always seek to please the Lord. Love him with the whole heart and one another as christ loves the church. Be blessed.
There is such an end time attack upon the true church. Dont falter nor fail, for our strenth is in Christ , and for those who endure unto the end. Life everlasting.
The king james bible is accurate. Have you noticed Pete, that even this new religion that says everyones pathe leads to GOd. It too has taken hold in the churches. Pete you would , even yourself, will probably have to sit down for this one.
This system has even crept into one of the bibles. Have you noticed that theres been this rise over finding early manuscripts that were not the same as is in the King james bible, or geneva etc. That instead they have the more accurate truth at the end. Really? God is not the author of confusion. Those men led by the Holy spirit, gave up lives that we would have GOds written word. So now all of a sudden towards the end of the age, these are claiming certain passages were not in earlier manuscripts, or some were excluded.
This end time religion, says that many roads lead to GOd. That there is truth in all religions.
Well, that is how Satan operates.
But they, and this is all in the name of peace, world peace, claim that we can all obtain heaven. That there are many ways, and Christ is not the only way.
Now, we began this converstaion with me telling you that they have crept into one of our bibles. You do the research and pray. Now its not the interpretation of the word, its meaning that has been altered. It is what they have written about early manuscripts , etc in the footnotes that is the LIE. Niv.
I was reading it in mark chapter 16 when i notice the foot notes that said the earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnessed do not have Mark 16-v9-20.
Yeah i was angry. I knew a lie when i seen one. So immediately went to john chapter 3. Pete in the spirit i knew it was a lie. So in the spirit i turned immediately to john chapter three to see what the foototes would say. Pull up a chair so you dont hit your head when or if you faint. Some interpreters have ended the verse after fifteen. Lie.
Then it says again some interpreters end the quoating after verse 30. Lie.
Guess what all three verses have in common? Do you give up?
They all say if one doesnt believe in Christ he is condemned. OOps now that goes big against the new world religion. Sadly they are all over. I aint never seen anything like it.
DO the research . Go get a niv, go to those verses, look what they say, and then look at what the footnotes say.
Oh, but i almost forgot, the church gets more godly towards the end. THe yrecieve the right manuscirpts towards the end. YEah RIght.
I am so upset wit hthis false hood. How else can one destroy souls, but by changing the word of GOd. Pete , they are furthur ahead than i even realized. And i have been researching this.
He who has ears to hear, be warned Persecution for the true believer does indeed draw nigh. They mean business Pete. Satan has his system ready for utter destrucion towards the TRue bride of CHrist.
But heres a special treat for all of us who know Gods word does not change. Even if men of high authority and degree sayit does.
Now this is old…. around the 4 century. Its the Lords prayer in old saxon English
THe early church was busy preaching and spreading the word. Dead to its pleasures and alive to making disicples of men. It spread way up in a matter of hardly any time.
Heres our treat.
Faeder Ure,
Pu pe eart on heofonum,
si pin nama gehalgod.
To becume pin rice.
Gewurpe oin willa on eoroan swa swa on heofonum.
Urne gedaeghwamlican hlaf syle us to daeg
and forgyf us ure gyltas, swa swa we
forgyfao urum gyltendum.
And ne gelaed pu us on costunage, ac alys us of yfele . Soplice.
Let us make a stand in truth. Praying for souls to won to Christ, labourors to be sent out
in the harvest. Eyes to be opened. And just believe the word of the Lord. Men gave lives all for they loved us so, so in the spirit of Christ, we too could be learned and well versed in our almightys truth. This attaack on the bible has went on Long enough. Time enough.Time enough.
Heres another special treat for us. wycliffs time 13 century , 8 centuries ago. and it remains unchanged through all time.
Blessid ben pore men in spirit , for the kingdom of heuenes is herene.
Blessid ben mylde men, for thei schulen welde the erthe.
Blessid ben thei that morned, for thei schulen be coumfortid.
Blessid ben thei that hungren and thristen riytwisnesse, for thei schulen be fulfilled.
Blessid ben merciful men, for thei schulen gete merci.
There was no universal spelling at the time. The words sound the same as we say.
The plural endings were more like German. for example thei schulen is they shall.
Ps. the word has not been misinterpreted as some say.
God is not the author of confusion.
One day, at the end of this age, at a moment, in the twinkling of an eye all saints that sleep in Christ and those who be awake shal be changed. caught up with him. And through all trials , tribulations, deaths, punishments, beatdowns , hating on. spitted on, OUr reward was always going to be that day. SO why on earth would we ever look for earthly gains, treasrues etc. Why? ITs a tragedy. The saddness in my heart, is knowing they have been duped. The sadness is knowing that so many i see everyday, the extrem vast majority are headed dead in the wrong direction. Even sadder, i speak of the churches. Pete , i thinks its time to pray as a group for men and women to be raised out of these churches and into true groups of the Lord. We all need fellowship. WE do. God bless you Pete. You too Sandra and Bill, and Kameme!! oh, and the others. I believe that if we will come together, we can win more souls than apart. We have to send them to where the truth is preached. And fellowship face to face is the best as we all know. FOr he gave some apostles, etc for the perfecting of the body. Satan is a isolationist. He wants us alone so he can wear us down and destroy us. Pete lets get the group together. OH, God bless you too Amy and Carol, i dont want to forget anyone!!!! Be blessed.
I had an experience with an electrical company that was owned by one of the bigshots in the local Kingdom Hall. Suffice it say, I got screwed, was cheater, there was blatant dishonesty and fraud so I knew at least this person was not of God, despite the forms of godliness on the outside. I count it all joy, I forgive them as they know not what they are doing and only pray that Jesus will grant them repentance in their heart and they will turn to Him and away from their self righteous efforts to make it to heaven.
Thank you Bill for this and diligent research into these things. Do you have a study on the God Head issue? Please post the link if you do. Blessings and peace to all of us.
Walter the NT in the KJB was taken from the 4,000 majority text manuscripts which were compiled first by mostly the works of Erasmus in 1509, who was only working from about 15 of these manuscripts. Also 1550 Stephanus Greek, 1596 Beza Greek works, along with the works of William Tyndale, and the Geneva bible.
KJV
I John 5-7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Geneva Bible-1560
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Tyndale Bible-1525
For there are three which bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the wholy ghost. And these three are one.
If you like I actually have an exact original 1611 KJB on line on my desk top computer, when I get to that computer I will send you the link. It reads the same.
Hope this helps clear up the confusion.
God Bless
Bill
Randall: Thank you, I love all of you, too. We are all part of the body of Christ, so that makes us brothers, and sisters in Christ. I have read your post also, and I enjoy them. We are all blessed that the Holy Spirit led us to “Pete”. Pete is a true soldier for Christ, and is Spirit led. Blessings to you, your sister in Christ—-Sandra
Pete: Silly me, I didn’t look at the date, oops. God Bless, Pete, your sister in Christ—-Sandra
Sandra. we love you. Be blessed in CHrist , stay focused in him. And may he give us all the increase we need. Let us praise his name on High. Be blessed Sandra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So i say Sandra Goforth in Christ. I have read some of your responses etc. You be blessed. Pete too. and all others.
Don’t worry my friends. This was I think my very first post on this blog. The JW’s had been coming by for some time and the spirit of God was moving in me to search the Scriptures and I wrote these things and did these studies so I could help a JW see the light. Sadly she never saw it. My understanding has grown immensely since this was written in 2008. Good deeds don’t get us to heaven and while I admire the deeds, there is darkness lurking in this gathering and of course the many failed prophecies from the WatchTower group, which I have another early post on, speaks for themselves as it realates to spotting a false prophet or a false prophecy. Maybe critiquing the 1 John 5:7 verse is the classic JW come on. I don’t know as I have not studied their beliefs in depth and feel no leadings from the Spirit to do so. I don’t build doctrines off one verse, but the whole weight of Scripture shows us clearly that Jesus is LORD
Pete: Speaking from experience about the Jehova’s witness. My husband’s family are witnesses. My husband has been deceased now for 22 years. When we first married I became involved with their home studies, and I was raised Baptist. In the beginning it seemed fine, but I did not understand a lot about the bible at that time. They have a way of makeing you believe what they say, and they believe that they are the only ones who have the truth. Also, they will tell you that the 144,000 will come from their society, and that they have anointed ones hear on earth, called “overseers”. Their belief of a paradise earth,and a 1000 year reign is false. They think that they are the ones that will be here on earth during that time, and their jobs will be to clean up the mess left after armageddon. I still have ladies from the local kingdom hall come by to bring the watchtower, and awake magazines. I don’t turn them away, but I never read the books. Instead of delivering their books, they need to see if the families that they may be visiting might need help. Speaking of helping someone, if you are not “in the truth” as they call it, then you are not worthy of their help, I actually had a witness tell me that, and I came back with the “good samaritan” story. So, what I’m saying is, if you are not in the “click” you are not worth their time. Oh yeah, and they wont baptize you if you happen to smoke cigerettes either, but it is ok if you drink. Just be ready, because I guarantee that they will have a come back for everything you say, and they will want you to use their bible, not the kjv, but then they will turn around and say, it doesn’t matter because they say the same thing, theirs is just easier to understand. Don’t misunderstand, I am not judging them, nor comdemning them for their belief, but after being involved with their “society” I can honestly say that I can’t see any truth in it. So, be careful, Pete, and be on guard. Do not let them sway you, stick to the scripture, and what the Holy Spirit has shown you. I will be here if you need anything, just ask. God Bless, your sister in Christ—-Sandra
Good day fellow Christians in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Deut 13 addresses the false prophet.
It says that even a false prophet can make true predictions. So even if their dreams or their signs and wonders come to pass, that person can still be a false prophet. The real issue is, that a false prophet is one who leads you to other gods. I must also add if one consistently makes false predictions, it is a good chance that they are a false prophet, and will be leading you to another god as well.
Yes the JWs are false prophets.
God Bless
Bill
Walter,………………………, The enemy will do anything to try and confuse us.
He is filled with this worlds wisdom, wiser than Daniel says the word of GOd.
Many have come with the false claim the bible has been misinterpreted.
What you have to look at is how do we know we hear from God, or another spirit?
Heres the sign of a false prophet, Deuteronomy 18 v20-22.
But the prophet that shall presume to speak a word in my name, which i have not
commanded him to speak, or that speaks in the name of other Gods shall die.
And if you think in your heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?
When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, this is the thing which the Lord has not spoken, but the prophet (oracle) has spoken it
presumptuously. THou shall not be afraid of him.
I say this to you, because all your early church leaders prophesied of CHrists coming , set dates and missed them. They were not oracles of GOd, but of man speaking of his own mind set. Get away from them now . Look what it says in revelations, about adding to , or taking away from that prophecy. God takes that mans name from the Book of Life.
Yet they claim there is no lake of Fire. Thats taking away.
Yes the churches have fallen. yes, its a babylonian system. But i promise you if you fail to recognize the diety of Chist, you fail to give GOd the glory. You will not see eternal life, and the wrath of God will abide on you. Walter i have reserached the translations from early on, they are accurate. There is another end time teaching, that too attacks the bible saying that some verses were omitted in early manuscripts. It too is a lie. God is not the author of confusion. Men gave lives , by the will of GOd to have us with the word so we would know. Now in the latter end, satan is attacking it with tools of saying it is not accurate. This is the most decptive way. Walter run to Christ and beg forgivness. Ask for the true riches wisdom , undersanding , knowledge. I too have left many churches in this age, for they no longer teach, much less live what was taught to the church.
If you truly desire the truth, God wil give you truth. You shall find him, when you seek him with your whole heart. Pour yourself out to him and run after him forsaking all.
He wil give us the deisres of the heart. But make sure they are desires to please God.
FOr he too gave israel the desires of their heart, for they desired meat, egypt. Then destroyed them err the meat was chewed. Go back and seek the truth for yourself.
Read with a passion for truth, read the king james bible. the gospels of CHrist.
You will see. ANd i pray God give the increase we all need so very much.
amen.
Pete, look at the core of their belief. Be careful not to entertain false doctrine. and never bid them God speed as he who does is partaker of their evil deeds.
I talked to a lady in the watch tower wintness . She had it ingrained in her. Deep Within her.
The Lord gave me the verse of timothy 3.16
When i showed her how they forgot to take that out of even their bible, she stopped cold in her tracks. She was amazed. But then sadly , she said, well if the leaders have this wrong, then God will show them. Pete , do you understand what this means?
They worship man, not God. For when given even the truth , right before her, in her own good message bible. She thought, but then chose to go right on with the watch tower.
She chose mans wisdom over the word of GOd.
They wiill not inherit eternal life. She even admitted it took her years to accept this. and that some it takes years to finallly get this.
Yet, are we not taught from The word, that the wisdom which comes from above is peaceavle , easy to be intreated.
It took her years, to accept, becuase through all those years, God in his mercy by his spirit was fighting against the teaching.
Pete, dont stumble, the wordly wisdom may make since to the flesh, but as you know, it is not truth.
Show them also in Revelation, how at the start of every message to evey church it identifies him as Chirst, yet ends with hear what the spirit says unto thte churches.
Remember the three are one.
A man named russle nash started them. This man claimed to be fluent in Greek, he also claimed the kjb had been mistranslated in certain parts. Like the word, is really a word.
So they wrote their own version. Later when this man was confronted to speak and write in Greek, suddenly he did not have the ability. Ooops. He was a liar.
They all set dates as well. Finally when they missed it in 1914 They said that he had indeed appeared, but it was the end of the time of the Gentiles. They had to cover up their mistakes again , and again. If these early church witnessess had been true oracles of GOd, then what they had said, would have come to pass. You show these ladies this. You show them in deut 18 the signs of a false prophet. They have been duped. and look at how they live their lives even now. I will pray for you Pete. But if they dont hear you, dont keep on trying to convert them. End it, and pray for them. They are closely monitored.
They have taken also the scripture out of text behind be ye all of the same mind.
This is why the watch tower has such a hold on them. God is powerful, so i aint telling you not to try and help. But be careful. Some of thier end time theology is correct, some is dead wrong. Dont let this confuse you. Try and help them see, that It is only God who can save. Not what he creates, that is what needs saving. And on the part in Issiah nine, where it says mighty god, they try and say that it is with a little g. So explain to them, then what does everlasting Father mean. a lil f on that one too. Be on guard.
Be on guard.
I am not aware of the insertions of this verse and will have to check into that. Man’s religion has built a lot of doctrines on one verse and I think we need to weight the whole council of GOD. Jesus is the Lord, He is the King Isaiah saw in the throne room in ISA 6:5. The words spoken to Jeremiah were from the KING of KINGS (Jer 51:7). So I don’t believe in a trinity even though I didn’t not understand this and none of us may understand in a fullness the mysteries of God. Jesus is God made manifest in the flesh. He and the Father are ONE.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
We worship Jesus, He is the creator and all things hold together in CHRIST.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him ALL things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
JESUS IS LORD. He is in the Father and the Father in Him. His Spirit and God is spirit, and dwells inside of His people. Great is the mystery of godliness Paul wrote: Christ in us, the hope of glory.
1 John 5:7 was added to our KJV manuscripts in 1522 AD. It seems the doctrine of the Trinity in not from God. God the Father is a spirit John 4:24, but he is not the Holy Spirit? This is confusion to me.
Because Christ takes an inferior role as only “a god” (at best) to Jehovah, should anyone be surprised that Christ also takes an inferior role in the Jehovah Witness’ salvation to paradise?
We briefly discussed that. They are not in the 144,000 that actually go to heaven, they are in the group that stays here on earth, which will be their paradise. I need to better understand their end times/eternal teachings, I have not looked into that. I do plan to meet with them to discuss this as well as the other Witness teachings now that I have gotten a little smart about the doctrine. The Lord wants nobody to perish, even those that get ensnared by false teachers. I pray we can make a difference and get them on the path with Jesus.
hank you for your Jehovah Witness comments.
Have you asked these lovely ladies how they will attain paradise?